C'da, I think I will respond to this post. It kinda explains what exactly you meant. Moreover, I am having a difficulty in keeping track of who said what, and all the cut & paste:)
So here goes, >I will stop at this post. I agree, we seem to be rehashing everything:) >Assam journalists have been crying endlessly about a number of >issues, like ULFA, B'deshis, corruption and the like. Well, that is obviously what they seem to be interested in. >However they have utterly failed in their journalistic duties in investigating, >analyzing and educating the public about the causes of these problems Who sets these standards of journalism? If they followed your advice and found the GOI/GOA the main reason for all the violence, would that make it better? >Nor have they offered any achievable and sustainable >solutions to what they cry about, that I am aware of. Actually, I have read numerous times the Sentinel/AT calling for peace talks etc. Now, whether they are deemed achievable or sustainable is really in the eye of the beholder. I really don't see anybody being able to convince anyone. Basically, no one sees eye to eye. >Nor does symbolic flag-waving, appeals to the people and so forth. All that does is >promote or publicize their own piety, something that does not in any way help >Assam in its woes. True, but who has been doing this? I can guess, but then, I would have to come up with proof - which I can't pin down at the moment:) --Ram __________________ On 8/14/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just so this discussion does not relapse into the same old repetition > of your or my positions, I will stop at this post. > > The point is not about MY views or Thakuria's or DN Bezbaruah's. > Assam journalists have been crying endlessly about a number of > issues, like ULFA, B'deshis, corruption and the like. However they > have utterly failed in their journalistic duties in investigating, > analyzing and educating the public about the causes of these problems > or how they can be resolved and how the people can become a part of > the solution . Nor have they offered any achievable and sustainable > solutions to what they cry about, that I am aware of. Wishful > thinking, or calling names, or sermonizing and lecturing those they > disagree with do not qualify as such. Nor does symbolic flag-waving, > appeals to the people and so forth. All that does is promote or > publicize their own piety, something that does not in any way help > Assam in its woes. As responsible and effective journalists, a key > element of a functioning democracy ( unlike desi-demokrasy that is), > they owe it to their readers, to seek out those who have the ability > to offer such achievable solutions and air them, if they cannot offer > them themselves. The least they can do. > > That in essence was what I wrote to Thakuria. If you believe that was > a bad or destructive set of suggestions, you ought to point out that > , explaining why. Or if you have better ideas you ought to present > those. That will be meaningful. But to go on as you have, with absurd > demands and assertions > > >like "---During last couple of elections Assam has witnessed at > >least 65% or more vote casting. This essentially > >means that at least 65% of Assam's people believe in > Indian Constitution. What other verdict you want ?? > > merely underscores your clueless disposition. And if you are > wondering why it is clueless, try reconciling that with yours and > Assam journalists' laments about the B'deshi immigration issue and > why the voters don't care about it as proven by their election and > re-election of those who would not even acknowledge it as a problem, > much less do anything about it. And when you do, enlighten us about > it. > > > > > > > > > > At 1:04 PM -0700 8/14/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty wrote: > >--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > >I understand. However it looks more like ULFA > >> is in > >> >armed conflict against people of Assam rather then > >> India. > >> > >> > >> *** That is because you consider those who do not > >> subscribe to ULFA's > >> views are the true representatives of Assam. That > >> maybe so. But why > >> don't those who sport that halo, hold a referendum > >> and decide, once > >> and for all, who the true reps. of Assam are? ULFA > >> has publicly > >> agreed to accept the verdict of the people. > > > >During last couple of elections Assam has witnessed at > >least 65% or more vote casting. This essentially > >means that at least 65% of Assam's people believe in > >Indian Constitution. What other verdict you want ?? > > > > > >> > >> That would be a way to bring the conflict to an end. > >> > >> > >> >And BTW, if you are guarding ULFA on pretext of > >> war, why not apply > >> >the same yardstick when it >comes to GOI??? > >> > >> *** I don't have any obligations to GoI. My > >> obligations are to the > >> people of Assam, their rights and their well-being. > > > >Hmmm.... and what well being do you see in kiiling > >the children of Dhemaji or school teacher or numerous > >other Assamese (I am excluding Biharis here) who have > >been killed. What well being do you see in dictating > >people Not to host Indian Flag. > > > > > >> I also do not > >> come from the ranks of those the who laughably sport > >> the halo of > >> being 'fair and-blanced' :-). > >> > > > >We never thought you to be "fair and balanced" :) > > > > > >> > >> > >> >Whether they will publish this debate or not is > >> something which they > >> >can answer. > >> > >> *** I did not ask you to speak for them. Just your > > > opinion of whether > >> they should is what I was hoping to hear. > >> > >> > >> > >> > So is it that only those journalists who favor > >> your view are true journalist? > >> > >> *** Is that something I said or implied? Or is that > >> 'damned English > >> language' problem again :-)? > > > >Then why come down so heavily on Nava Thakuria, DN > >Bezbarua et al. > > > >> > >> > >> > >Even if the Assam Press initiates a debate do > > > you guarantee that > >> >your cohorts will not threaten those > >> >who debates for Assam being a part of India ? > >> > >> > >> *** If your cohorts do, or you do, I will surely > >> attempt to get the > >> approval of mine. But ULFA has publicly said, many > >> times, that they > >> would accept the verdict of a referendum. The need > >> for a debate prior > >> to such a referendum is implicit. > > > >Well, you should definitely try to get approval of > >your "cohorts" who threatened a couple of journalists > >just a few weeks back ...... > > > >I do not think my "cohorts" ever threatened any one. > > > > > >> > >> > >> >send a letter to your local newspaper explaining > >> Why St Louis should > >> >be Free from USA and that you >will support a war > >> against USA if it > >> >is not freed..... > >> > >> *** That would be a very dumb thing to do, and the > >> analogy could not > >> be more absurd. St. Louis is not demanding to be > >> free of the USA, > > > >Assam is not demanding to be free of India... it is CM > >and ULFA who is demanding it. > >On a similar analogy, CM can surely demand St Louis to > >be free from US . > > > >> much less waging a quarter century old insurgency. > >> But if it does > >> been, I will certainly comply with your request. > >> > > > >All insurgency start at some point by some people. So > >you can surely start one (or attempt to start one) now > >and see how your funtional democracy and press reacts. > > This will also give us an opportunity to learn how > >GOI should have tackled ULFA when it first started > >this insurgency. > > > > > > > >> > >> >Actually ..... not a single case of success .... > >> not much of > >> >accomplishment :) > >> > >> *** You sure know how to hurt a guy. > > > >Taking it as a complement :) > > > >> > >> > >> >Same on the other side is true ... particulrly when > >> you try avoiding > >> >difficult question > >> > >> *** I think you are toiling under an Oxomiya bhaxa > >> problem too :-). > >> Avoiding difficult questions, evasiveness, is not > >> analogous to > >> refusing to admit what stares one in the face. > >> > > > >Uh .... I do not have any Oxomiya Bhaxa problem. Why > >I equated it is because by avoiding such unpleasant > >questions you do just the same --- "refuse to admit > >what stares one in the face" > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> At 11:46 AM -0700 8/14/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty > >> wrote: > >> > > *** ULFA is in an armed conflict with India. It > >> is a > >> >> war . In wars > >> >> such fundamental rights as speech or freedom of > >> >> expression are some > >> >> of the most early and consistent victims, across > >> the > >> >> world. > >> > > >> >I understand. However it looks more like ULFA is > >> in > >> >armed conflict against people of Assam rather then > >> >India. > >> > > >> >And BTW, if you are guarding ULFA on pretext of > >> war, > >> >why not apply the same yardstick when it comes to > >> >GOI??? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >*** Now can you tell us why the press in Assam > >> would > >> >> not allow an > >> >> informed, unfettered > >> >> discussion/debate about why Assam ought to be > >> free > >> >> or NOT ? Would > >> >> they publish the debate we had in this forum? > >> > > >> >Whether they will publish this debate or not is > >> >something which they can answer. However, a > >> couple > >> >of years back a similar debate from AssamNet was > >> >published in Assam Tribune, if I remember correct. > >> > > >> >Have you tried sending an article /letter to Assam > >> >Press? > >> >There have been many instances when you have cited > >> >articles from Assam/Indian press in support of your > >> >view. So is it that only those journalists who > >> favor > >> >your view are true journalist? > >> >Even if the Assam Press initiates a debate do you > >> >guarantee that your cohorts will not threaten those > >> >who debates for Assam being a part of India ? > >> > > >> >Now let us turn to your ideal and functioning > >> democary > >> >..... Try this .... > >> >send a letter to your local newspaper explaining > >> Why > > > >St Louis should be Free from USA and that you will > >> >support a war against USA if it is not freed..... > >> if > >> >you need to find a reason I can help you .... let > >> us > >> >see how your functioning democracy and its press > >> >treats you. > >> > > >> >> *** Helping educate people like yourselves, > >> although > >> >> not always > >> >> successfully . > >> > > >> >Actually ..... not a single case of success .... > > > not > >> >much of accomplishment :) > >> > > >> >In this context, the 'nwdhown gaa > >> >> dhouaali, nakhawn > >> >> bhaat khuali, nigilw ki koro kor' factor plays > >> out > >> >> quite often :-). > >> > > >> >Same on the other side is true ... particulrly when > >> >you try avoiding difficult questions. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >Do you think that ULFA (or Anyone else) should > >> deny > >> >> >anybodys right to host Indian Flag ? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> *** ULFA is in an armed conflict with India. It > >> is a > >> > >=== message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ > >Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s > >user panel and lay it on us. > >http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > _______________________________________________ > assam mailing list > [email protected] > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >
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