C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand?
Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN can't do a lick. >Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand, *I am on Assam's side* as opposed to being on Dilli's side. Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me. --Ram --Ram On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ram: > > > Instead of carrying water for Dilli, why don't you tell us where YOU > stand? For crying out loud , Dilli has a billion people behind it. The > people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. > > > But will you? That is the question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 1:51 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > > Nayan, > > > > I am not sure I understand, but what is is a 'non-governmental plebicite'? > I don't think the GOI will let that slide by either. > > > > But if you mean an informal one? Well, those, I would think, are the > opinion polls already conducted by the PCG and APW. > > > > But a 'formal plebicite' like what C' da is suggesting under the control > of the UN, is just next to impossible. > > > > I agree with you that the voices of the people of Assam must be heard by > Dilli, but we must realize, even the most amiable dilliwalla will stop > listening and harden their stance once a plebicite is mentioned. > > > > But, I come back to the original point, that Assam or any other place > cannot be just given away by the PM or the GOI. It is NOT theirs to give > away in the first place. That is why Nehru's "my heart goes to the people of > Assam" speech in 1962 still hurts. > > > > >Yes, you are quite right about one thing though. who will be allowed to > take part. > > >You? Me ? People like Sandip Dutta or Utpal Borpujari. Nah we won't be :) > > > > Oh! I think the problem will be the reverse. Everyone and his uncle will > be allowed to vote - and that would include Bangladeshis. > > The reason why Pakistan insists on a plebicite in Kashmir (and India is > against it) is because, over the years, the Kashnir valley has been flooded > by Pakistanis who have forcefully driven away the indigenous people out of > Kashmir. > > > > The solution for Assam, I think is to seek* autonomous status*. That way, > the state has more power to control its destnity and does not have to depend > on Dilli for each and everything. It also helps, because no one know Assam, > her problems, and her convictions better than her own people. > > > > There are many states within the Indian union which are actually amenable > to such an idea - specially the NE states and the Southern states. They > could all form a coallition of sorts and force the Center to agree to more > power to individual states. > > > > --Ram da > > > > > On 10/10/07,* Nayanjyoti Medhi* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ram da, > > I know some people won't accept the results. And I do not see any role of > the Government in this Plebiscite. The government cant and won't do this but > since the PCG has tried. Let them try again. Maybe an non Governmental > Plebiscite funded by the ULFA. It does not have to be a Government sponsored > one naa. The issue is that people of Assam should be heard and there should > be a guarantee that the people's choice will be respected. Thats all I or > for that matter any sensible Assamese would want. And when you talk of > threat and fear, well...... we have been living with it. nothing new about > it. Yes, you are quite right about one thing though. who will be allowed to > take part. You? Me ? People like Sandip Dutta or Utpal Borpujari. Nah we > won't be :) > > > > On 10/11/07,* Ram Sarangapani* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > >maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast > > > > Hehehe! Not so fast. Here are some potential problems I see in the way it > is conducted, and who will be allowed to take part in it. > > > > It would be a bad idea if illegal Bangladeshi's or ISI types are > also given a chance to voice their opinion. > > And how will this be conducted? Even today, when there is a call for Assam > bondho, there is no one to challenge it. Will the plebicite be conducted > under the threat of violence? > > > > And lastly, Nayan, we have seen in even this microscopic sample (Assam > net), we are not able to even accept the results of a poll nor come to a > consensus, and you think, C'da and others will accept something as serious > as a plebicite if it goes against their wishes? > > > > Lastly, I seriously doubt if the Indian Govt. will accept to hold a > plebicite. Agreeing to hold a plebicite would be tantamount to declaring > (for the Govt,) that maybe, just maybe Assam could be sovereign, and the > Govts. points are not that strong. > > > > Furthermore, the Govt. of India is just a CARETAKER of the country and her > people. It does not have* any rights* to give away portions of the country > when it pleases, or even hold plebicites* that could well cast doubts in > the territorial integrity of the country* . Well, thats the way I > understand the essence of the Indian Constitution. That I think is a big > reason why Kashmir couldn't have a plebicite either. > > > > In any case, IMHO, like Kashmir, the role for a plebicite is too late for > Assam > > > --Ram > > > On 10/10/07,* Nayanjyoti Medhi* < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > see i told you C Da will barge in. anyway, maybe a plebiscite is not a bad > idea at all. atleast let the whole world know what people really want in > assam. assamese people who stay in assam, work in assam, have their families > in assam, live here and die here. they should be the ones to decide what > they want. i fully agree with C da. let there be a plebiscite. but before > that it should be gauranteed by all concerned that people's wishes will be > respected. > > > > On 10/10/07,* Chan Mahanta* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued > servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put > an end to the speculations, wouldn't it? > > > > > Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation > poll? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > > Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad even > from a poll that one doesn't trust. > > > > It is encouraging to note that that some 43% sent in their votes thru > surface mail. > > > > Any reasons why the PCG did not publish the results? Also, does this > result in any way match up with those conducted by the Assam Public Works > (or Service) group? > > > > _________________ > > On 10/10/07,* Nayanjyoti Medhi* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > yes, i read the report. but now that you have pointed it out, you can be > rest assured that somebody (C Da) will deny the authenticity of that report. > i am reproducing the relevant paragraph below for easy access. you can also > see the editorial in assamtimes.org and comment. i wrote that on request > of the webmaster. > > > > *Assam journalists condemn ULFA threat to > editors*<http://www.newswatch.in/news-analyses/attacks-on-scribes/5060.html> > > June 15, 2006 | Newswatch Desk | Newswatch > > LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS OF THE ARTICLE ------->"The nine-member PCG, formed on > September 8, 2005, includes engineer Mukul Mahanta, journalists Ajit Bhuyan, > Haider Hussain and Diganta Konwar, medic Brajen Gogoi, advocate Arup > Borbora, advisor to the Asom Jatiyatabadi Yuba Chatra Parishad Dilip > Patgiri, advisor to the Manab Adhikar Sangram Samiti Lachit Bordoloi, and > sports organiser Hiranya Saikia. Litterateur Indira Raisom Goswami and > former footballer player Rebati Phukan act as facilitators, and maintain > links between the government and the consultative group. > > Shortly after it was formed, the group asked people of the state to > express their opinion about the peace process. About 5,670 people responded > to that survey of which 1,500 odd were through SMS, another 1,700 through > e-mails, and rest through land mail. The results of the survey were not > announced Amar Asom exposed it. The result, according to the newspaper, only > 300 or so people supported ULFA and its cause, while the rest voiced their > opinion in the negative." > > > > > > On 10/10/07,* Krishnendu Chakraborty* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > Check the last para of this --- > http://www.newswatch.in/news-analyses/attacks-on-scribes/5060.html > > Looks like PCG too tried similar polls .... not sure > > if the pollsters were uneducated and "IMMATURE, > UNINFORMED and UNREALISTIC to the core". > > PCG was too shy to publish the results :-) > > BTW, while it is fair to assume that visitors of > assamtimes.org (or even those who responded to PCG) > are not a fair representation of Assam, can someone > explain WHO forms a fair representation of Assam --- > the villagers who lynch ULFA every now and then, the > School teachers who are killed by ULFA, the traders > whose business get impacted because of regular > bombblast, the journalists who are threatened by > ULFA, the intellectuals (including AXX) who discard > the idea of Sovereignty, the NRAs ?????? > > > >>Entirely faulty premise for the poll. > > >>WHO visits assamtimes.org ? Are they a fair > representation of Assam's polity? > > >>If the pollsters are as uneducated about as simple > an issue as this, > what will anybody learn from it? > > >>IMMATURE, UNINFORMED and UNREALISTIC to the core. > > > > > > > > > > At 12:47 AM +0530 10/10/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote: > >please take part in the opinion poll going on in > >< http://www.assamtimes.org> www.assamtimes.org > > > >-- > >Nayanjyoti Medhi > > >Advocate > >Gauhati High Court > > > >Chamber: > >Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East > >Guwahati-781001, Assam > > > >Phone: > >+91 361 2416960 > >+91 94350 43007 > > > >Email: > ><mailto: nayanjyoti.medhi at > gmail.com>nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > _______________ > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. 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