>GoI is NOT a party . Then why has its military been in occupation of all the region?
*Not *what I said. There can be many polls as one wants, but for a plebicite, the GOI (unfortunately or fortunately) will be a party. This is the exchange between you and Nayan: Nayan: >Maybe an non Governmental Plebiscite funded by the ULFA. C'da: **** That won't work.. Both parties to the conflict must agree to abide by the results. ULFA has declared time and again that it will. To which I wrote: >Curious. *Who is the other "party" and how and whom does it represent?* *Since, the GOI is not a party, as per definitions here*, the ULFA is one, then who is the >other? So, you seem amenable to a *"non-governmental*" Plebicite. So the question again stands, in such a scenario, who is the OTHER party, if it is NOT the GOI? --Ram >**** That won't work.. Both parties to the conflict must agree to abide by the results. >ULFA has declared time and again that it will. Curious. Who is the other "party" and how and whom does it represent? Since, the GOI is not a party, as per definitions here, the ULFA is one, then who is the other? *>>*And when you talk of threat and fear, well...... we have been living with it.* * >**** Again, very well said. Huh! What kind of plebicite is this? We hold a plebicite in spite of possible threats? On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > GoI is NOT a party . Then why has its military been in occupation of all > the region? > > > > > > > What happened to that overwhelming support of the people of Assam for > continued Indian servitude > that you all were gloating over less than an hour ago Ram? Has it > evaporated from a perceived threat of three thousand ULFA cadres , > ostensibly hiding in B'desh, coming to defeat the will of the 5 million > Assamese? > > > > > Are you serious Ram? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 2:04 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > > C'da, > > > >**** That won't work.. Both parties to the conflict must agree to abide > by the results. > > >ULFA has declared time and again that it will. > > > > Curious. Who is the other "party" and how and whom does it represent? > Since, the GOI is not a party, as per definitions here, the ULFA is one, > then who is the other? > > > > *>>*And when you talk of threat and fear, well...... we have been living > with it. > > > > >**** Again, very well said. > > > > Huh! What kind of plebicite is this? We hold a plebicite in spite of > possible threats? > > > > > --Ram > > > > > > On 10/10/07,* Chan Mahanta* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * > * > > * > * > > * > * > > *> The issue is that people of Assam should be heard and there should be a > guarantee that the people's >choice will be respected. Thats all I or for > that matter any sensible Assamese would want.* > > > > > *** Very well said. > > > > > > > > >Maybe an non Governmental Plebiscite funded by the ULFA. > > > > > **** That won't work.. Both parties to the conflict must agree to abide by > the results. ULFA has declared time and again that it will. > > > > > GoI naturally would oppose it, because it claims a divine right over > Assam, aided and abetted by those to whom GoI s interests are more important > than the those of the people of Assam. > > > > > That is why those whose intents are honorable, sincere and are for the > best interests of the people of Assam, will need to generate a massive > public opinion in support of the plebiscite. to force GoI to agree. > > > > > > > > *>The issue is that people of Assam should be heard and there should be a > guarantee that the people's >choice will be respected.* > > * > * > > *** Exactly. > > * > * > > * > * > > * > * > > *>*And when you talk of threat and fear, well...... we have been living > with it. > > * > * > > **** Again, very well said. > > * > * > > * > * > > *>*Yes, you are quite right about one thing though. who will be allowed to > take part. > > * > * > > ***** GoI supporters and apologists should have no objection to the GoI > approved voter-lists. Or don't they have any faith in it?* > > * > * > > * > * > > >You? Me ? People like Sandip Dutta or Utpal Borpujari. Nah we won't be > > > > > **** Too bad, Nayan that having come up with a constructive and wise idea, > you crumble under the weight of infantile burdens. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, I am still awaiting to learn about what I failed to answer in > your inquest. I won't press for answers to the mmmm--- question, or answers > to those other questions from months ago which you must still be working on > :-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:51 AM +0530 10/11/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote: > > Ram da, > > I know some people won't accept the results. And I do not see any role of > the Government in this Plebiscite. The government cant and won't do this but > since the PCG has tried. Let them try again. Maybe an non Governmental > Plebiscite funded by the ULFA. It does not have to be a Government sponsored > one naa. The issue is that people of Assam should be heard and there should > be a guarantee that the people's choice will be respected. Thats all I or > for that matter any sensible Assamese would want. And when you talk of > threat and fear, well...... we have been living with it. nothing new about > it. Yes, you are quite right about one thing though. who will be allowed to > take part. You? Me ? People like Sandip Dutta or Utpal Borpujari. Nah we > won't be :) > > > > On 10/11/07,* Ram Sarangapani* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast > > > > Hehehe! Not so fast. Here are some potential problems I see in the way it > is conducted, and who will be allowed to take part in it. > > > > > It would be a bad idea if illegal Bangladeshi's or ISI types are > also given a chance to voice their opinion. > > And how will this be conducted? Even today, when there is a call for Assam > bondho, there is no one to challenge it. Will the plebicite be conducted > under the threat of violence? > > > > And lastly, Nayan, we have seen in even this microscopic sample (Assam > net), we are not able to even accept the results of a poll nor come to a > consensus, and you think, C'da and others will accept something as serious > as a plebicite if it goes against their wishes? > > > > Lastly, I seriously doubt if the Indian Govt. will accept to hold a > plebicite. Agreeing to hold a plebicite would be tantamount to declaring > (for the Govt,) that maybe, just maybe Assam could be sovereign, and the > Govts. points are not that strong. > > > > Furthermore, the Govt. of India is just a CARETAKER of the country and her > people. It does not have* any rights* to give away portions of the country > when it pleases, or even hold plebicites* that could well cast doubts in > the territorial integrity of the country* . Well, thats the way I > understand the essence of the Indian Constitution. That I think is a big > reason why Kashmir couldn't have a plebicite either. > > > > In any case, IMHO, like Kashmir, the role for a plebicite is too late for > Assam > > > --Ram > > > On 10/10/07,* Nayanjyoti Medhi* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > see i told you C Da will barge in. anyway, maybe a plebiscite is not a bad > idea at all. atleast let the whole world know what people really want in > assam. assamese people who stay in assam, work in assam, have their families > in assam, live here and die here. they should be the ones to decide what > they want. i fully agree with C da. let there be a plebiscite. but before > that it should be gauranteed by all concerned that people's wishes will be > respected. > > > > On 10/10/07,* Chan Mahanta* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued > servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put > an end to the speculations, wouldn't it? > > > > > Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation > poll? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > > Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad even > from a poll that one doesn't trust. > > > > It is encouraging to note that that some 43% sent in their votes thru > surface mail. > > > > Any reasons why the PCG did not publish the results? Also, does this > result in any way match up with those conducted by the Assam Public Works > (or Service) group? > > > > _________________ > > On 10/10/07,* Nayanjyoti Medhi* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > yes, i read the report. but now that you have pointed it out, you can be > rest assured that somebody (C Da) will deny the authenticity of that report. > i am reproducing the relevant paragraph below for easy access. you can also > see the editorial in assamtimes.org and comment. i wrote that on request > of the webmaster. > > > > *Assam journalists condemn ULFA threat to > editors*<http://www.newswatch.in/news-analyses/attacks-on-scribes/5060.html> > > June 15, 2006 | Newswatch Desk | Newswatch > > LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS OF THE ARTICLE ------->"The nine-member PCG, formed on > September 8, 2005, includes engineer Mukul Mahanta, journalists Ajit Bhuyan, > Haider Hussain and Diganta Konwar, medic Brajen Gogoi, advocate Arup > Borbora, advisor to the Asom Jatiyatabadi Yuba Chatra Parishad Dilip > Patgiri, advisor to the Manab Adhikar Sangram Samiti Lachit Bordoloi, and > sports organiser Hiranya Saikia. Litterateur Indira Raisom Goswami and > former footballer player Rebati Phukan act as facilitators, and maintain > links between the government and the consultative group. > > Shortly after it was formed, the group asked people of the state to > express their opinion about the peace process. About 5,670 people responded > to that survey of which 1,500 odd were through SMS, another 1,700 through > e-mails, and rest through land mail. The results of the survey were not > announced Amar Asom exposed it. The result, according to the newspaper, only > 300 or so people supported ULFA and its cause, while the rest voiced their > opinion in the negative." > > > > > > > On 10/10/07,* Krishnendu Chakraborty* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > Check the last para of this --- > http://www.newswatch.in/news-analyses/attacks-on-scribes/5060.html > > Looks like PCG too tried similar polls .... not sure > if the pollsters were uneducated and "IMMATURE, > UNINFORMED and UNREALISTIC to the core". > > PCG was too shy to publish the results :-) > > BTW, while it is fair to assume that visitors of > assamtimes.org (or even those who responded to PCG) > are not a fair representation of Assam, can someone > explain WHO forms a fair representation of Assam --- > the villagers who lynch ULFA every now and then, the > School teachers who are killed by ULFA, the traders > whose business get impacted because of regular > bombblast, the journalists who are threatened by > ULFA, the intellectuals (including AXX) who discard > the idea of Sovereignty, the NRAs ?????? > > > > >>Entirely faulty premise for the poll. > > >>WHO visits assamtimes.org ? Are they a fair > representation of Assam's polity? > > >>If the pollsters are as uneducated about as simple > an issue as this, > what will anybody learn from it? > > >>IMMATURE, UNINFORMED and UNREALISTIC to the core. > > > > > > > > > > At 12:47 AM +0530 10/10/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote: > >please take part in the opinion poll going on in > >< http://www.assamtimes.org> www.assamtimes.org > > > >-- > >Nayanjyoti Medhi > > >Advocate > >Gauhati High Court > > > >Chamber: > >Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East > >Guwahati-781001, Assam > > > >Phone: > >+91 361 2416960 > >+91 94350 43007 > > > >Email: > ><mailto: nayanjyoti.medhi at > gmail.com>nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > _______________ > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. 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