C'da, >IF you are for an end to the conflict We are all for a peaceful end to the conflict. Who doesn't want peace (well maybe, I guess except for the ones profiting from it). Unfortunately, it hasn't yet been hammered out properly what the best course is.
The solution, to me, the sovereignty issue should be off the table, and talks are held with the Center for a constitutionally mandated atonomous state for Assam. I had long ago even suggested that a number of states join forces to force the Center to such a plan. Alternatively, the NE states could form an alliance of sorts with autonomy. For some it may be an all or nothing solution. --Ram On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with > seeking Assam's interests? :) > > > > > > > **** That is a pathetic spin Ram. > > > IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the > verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the > plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the > people don't want sovereignty? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > > C'da, > > > > You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI > included. > > And does it really matter where I stand? > > > > > > Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a > red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the > pro/against sovereignty people). > > > > I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will > lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get > out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN > can't do a lick. > > > > >Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far > more than Dilli does. > > > > Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand,* I am on Assam's side* as opposed to > being on Dilli's side. > > Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with > seeking Assam's interests? :) > > And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me. > > > > --Ram > > > > > > --Ram > > > On 10/10/07,* Chan Mahanta* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ram: > > > > > Instead of carrying water for Dilli, why don't you tell us where YOU > stand? For crying out loud , Dilli has a billion people behind it. The > people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. > > > > > But will you? That is the question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 1:51 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > > Nayan, > > > > I am not sure I understand, but what is is a 'non-governmental plebicite'? > I don't think the GOI will let that slide by either. > > > > But if you mean an informal one? Well, those, I would think, are the > opinion polls already conducted by the PCG and APW. > > > > But a 'formal plebicite' like what C' da is suggesting under the control > of the UN, is just next to impossible. > > > > I agree with you that the voices of the people of Assam must be heard by > Dilli, but we must realize, even the most amiable dilliwalla will stop > listening and harden their stance once a plebicite is mentioned. > > > > But, I come back to the original point, that Assam or any other place > cannot be just given away by the PM or the GOI. It is NOT theirs to give > away in the first place. That is why Nehru's "my heart goes to the people of > Assam" speech in 1962 still hurts. > > > > >Yes, you are quite right about one thing though. who will be allowed to > take part. > > >You? Me ? People like Sandip Dutta or Utpal Borpujari. Nah we won't be :) > > > > Oh! I think the problem will be the reverse. Everyone and his uncle will > be allowed to vote - and that would include Bangladeshis. > > The reason why Pakistan insists on a plebicite in Kashmir (and India is > against it) is because, over the years, the Kashnir valley has been flooded > by Pakistanis who have forcefully driven away the indigenous people out of > Kashmir. > > > > The solution for Assam, I think is to seek* autonomous status*. That way, > the state has more power to control its destnity and does not have to depend > on Dilli for each and everything. It also helps, because no one know Assam, > her problems, and her convictions better than her own people. > > > > There are many states within the Indian union which are actually amenable > to such an idea - specially the NE states and the Southern states. They > could all form a coallition of sorts and force the Center to agree to more > power to individual states. > > > > --Ram da > > > > > On 10/10/07,* Nayanjyoti Medhi* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ram da, > > I know some people won't accept the results. And I do not see any role of > the Government in this Plebiscite. The government cant and won't do this but > since the PCG has tried. Let them try again. Maybe an non Governmental > Plebiscite funded by the ULFA. It does not have to be a Government sponsored > one naa. The issue is that people of Assam should be heard and there should > be a guarantee that the people's choice will be respected. Thats all I or > for that matter any sensible Assamese would want. And when you talk of > threat and fear, well...... we have been living with it. nothing new about > it. Yes, you are quite right about one thing though. who will be allowed to > take part. You? Me ? People like Sandip Dutta or Utpal Borpujari. Nah we > won't be :) > > > > > On 10/11/07,* Ram Sarangapani* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > >maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast > > > > Hehehe! Not so fast. Here are some potential problems I see in the way it > is conducted, and who will be allowed to take part in it. > > > > It would be a bad idea if illegal Bangladeshi's or ISI types are > also given a chance to voice their opinion. > > And how will this be conducted? Even today, when there is a call for Assam > bondho, there is no one to challenge it. Will the plebicite be conducted > under the threat of violence? > > > > And lastly, Nayan, we have seen in even this microscopic sample (Assam > net), we are not able to even accept the results of a poll nor come to a > consensus, and you think, C'da and others will accept something as serious > as a plebicite if it goes against their wishes? > > > > Lastly, I seriously doubt if the Indian Govt. will accept to hold a > plebicite. Agreeing to hold a plebicite would be tantamount to declaring > (for the Govt,) that maybe, just maybe Assam could be sovereign, and the > Govts. points are not that strong. > > > > Furthermore, the Govt. of India is just a CARETAKER of the country and her > people. It does not have* any rights* to give away portions of the country > when it pleases, or even hold plebicites* that could well cast doubts in > the territorial integrity of the country* . Well, thats the way I > understand the essence of the Indian Constitution. That I think is a big > reason why Kashmir couldn't have a plebicite either. > > > > In any case, IMHO, like Kashmir, the role for a plebicite is too late for > Assam > > > --Ram > > > On 10/10/07,* Nayanjyoti Medhi* < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > see i told you C Da will barge in. anyway, maybe a plebiscite is not a bad > idea at all. atleast let the whole world know what people really want in > assam. assamese people who stay in assam, work in assam, have their families > in assam, live here and die here. they should be the ones to decide what > they want. i fully agree with C da. let there be a plebiscite. but before > that it should be gauranteed by all concerned that people's wishes will be > respected. > > > > On 10/10/07,* Chan Mahanta* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued > servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put > an end to the speculations, wouldn't it? > > > > > Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation > poll? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > > Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad even > from a poll that one doesn't trust. > > > > It is encouraging to note that that some 43% sent in their votes thru > surface mail. > > > > Any reasons why the PCG did not publish the results? Also, does this > result in any way match up with those conducted by the Assam Public Works > (or Service) group? > > > > _________________ > > On 10/10/07,* Nayanjyoti Medhi* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > yes, i read the report. but now that you have pointed it out, you can be > rest assured that somebody (C Da) will deny the authenticity of that report. > i am reproducing the relevant paragraph below for easy access. you can also > see the editorial in assamtimes.org and comment. i wrote that on request > of the webmaster. > > > > *Assam journalists condemn ULFA threat to > editors*<http://www.newswatch.in/news-analyses/attacks-on-scribes/5060.html> > > June 15, 2006 | Newswatch Desk | Newswatch > > LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS OF THE ARTICLE ------->"The nine-member PCG, formed on > September 8, 2005, includes engineer Mukul Mahanta, journalists Ajit Bhuyan, > Haider Hussain and Diganta Konwar, medic Brajen Gogoi, advocate Arup > Borbora, advisor to the Asom Jatiyatabadi Yuba Chatra Parishad Dilip > Patgiri, advisor to the Manab Adhikar Sangram Samiti Lachit Bordoloi, and > sports organiser Hiranya Saikia. Litterateur Indira Raisom Goswami and > former footballer player Rebati Phukan act as facilitators, and maintain > links between the government and the consultative group. > > > Shortly after it was formed, the group asked people of the state to > express their opinion about the peace process. About 5,670 people responded > to that survey of which 1,500 odd were through SMS, another 1,700 through > e-mails, and rest through land mail. The results of the survey were not > announced Amar Asom exposed it. The result, according to the newspaper, only > 300 or so people supported ULFA and its cause, while the rest voiced their > opinion in the negative." > > > > > > On 10/10/07,* Krishnendu Chakraborty* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > Check the last para of this --- > http://www.newswatch.in/news-analyses/attacks-on-scribes/5060.html > > Looks like PCG too tried similar polls .... not sure > > if the pollsters were uneducated and "IMMATURE, > UNINFORMED and UNREALISTIC to the core". > > PCG was too shy to publish the results :-) > > BTW, while it is fair to assume that visitors of > assamtimes.org (or even those who responded to PCG) > are not a fair representation of Assam, can someone > explain WHO forms a fair representation of Assam --- > the villagers who lynch ULFA every now and then, the > School teachers who are killed by ULFA, the traders > whose business get impacted because of regular > bombblast, the journalists who are threatened by > ULFA, the intellectuals (including AXX) who discard > the idea of Sovereignty, the NRAs ?????? > > > >>Entirely faulty premise for the poll. > > >>WHO visits assamtimes.org ? Are they a fair > representation of Assam's polity? > > >>If the pollsters are as uneducated about as simple > an issue as this, > what will anybody learn from it? > > >>IMMATURE, UNINFORMED and UNREALISTIC to the core. > > > > > > > > > > At 12:47 AM +0530 10/10/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote: > >please take part in the opinion poll going on in > >< http://www.assamtimes.org> www.assamtimes.org > > > >-- > >Nayanjyoti Medhi > > >Advocate > >Gauhati High Court > > > >Chamber: > >Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East > >Guwahati-781001, Assam > > > >Phone: > >+91 361 2416960 > >+91 94350 43007 > > > >Email: > ><mailto: nayanjyoti.medhi at > gmail.com>nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > _______________ > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. 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