C'da,
>IF you are for an end to the conflict
We are all for a peaceful end to the conflict. Who doesn't want
peace (well maybe, I guess except for the ones profiting from it).
Unfortunately, it hasn't yet been hammered out properly what the
best course is.
The solution, to me, the sovereignty issue should be off the table,
and talks are held with the Center for a constitutionally mandated
atonomous state for Assam. I had long ago even suggested that a
number of states join forces to force the Center to such a plan.
Alternatively, the NE states could form an alliance of sorts with
autonomy.
For some it may be an all or nothing solution.
--Ram
On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is
synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :)
**** That is a pathetic spin Ram.
IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by
the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to
avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you
profess, that the people don't want sovereignty?
At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,
You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody
- GOI included.
And does it really matter where I stand?
Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a
red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both
the pro/against sovereignty people).
I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It
will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam
will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud,
etc and a toothless UN can't do a lick.
>Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need
yOU far more than Dilli does.
Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand, I am on Assam's side as
opposed to being on Dilli's side.
Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is
synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :)
And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me.
--Ram
--Ram
On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ram:
Instead of carrying water for Dilli, why don't you tell us where YOU
stand? For crying out loud , Dilli has a billion people behind it.
The people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does.
But will you? That is the question.
At 1:51 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Nayan,
I am not sure I understand, but what is is a 'non-governmental
plebicite'? I don't think the GOI will let that slide by either.
But if you mean an informal one? Well, those, I would think, are the
opinion polls already conducted by the PCG and APW.
But a 'formal plebicite' like what C' da is suggesting under the
control of the UN, is just next to impossible.
I agree with you that the voices of the people of Assam must be
heard by Dilli, but we must realize, even the most amiable
dilliwalla will stop listening and harden their stance once a
plebicite is mentioned.
But, I come back to the original point, that Assam or any other
place cannot be just given away by the PM or the GOI. It is NOT
theirs to give away in the first place. That is why Nehru's "my
heart goes to the people of Assam" speech in 1962 still hurts.
>Yes, you are quite right about one thing though. who will be
allowed to take part.
>You? Me ? People like Sandip Dutta or Utpal Borpujari. Nah we won't be :)
Oh! I think the problem will be the reverse. Everyone and his uncle
will be allowed to vote - and that would include Bangladeshis.
The reason why Pakistan insists on a plebicite in Kashmir (and India
is against it) is because, over the years, the Kashnir valley has
been flooded by Pakistanis who have forcefully driven away the
indigenous people out of Kashmir.
The solution for Assam, I think is to seek autonomous status. That
way, the state has more power to control its destnity and does not
have to depend on Dilli for each and everything. It also helps,
because no one know Assam, her problems, and her convictions better
than her own people.
There are many states within the Indian union which are actually
amenable to such an idea - specially the NE states and the Southern
states. They could all form a coallition of sorts and force the
Center to agree to more power to individual states.
--Ram da
On 10/10/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Ram da,
I know some people won't accept the results. And I do not see any
role of the Government in this Plebiscite. The government cant and
won't do this but since the PCG has tried. Let them try again. Maybe
an non Governmental Plebiscite funded by the ULFA. It does not have
to be a Government sponsored one naa. The issue is that people of
Assam should be heard and there should be a guarantee that the
people's choice will be respected. Thats all I or for that matter
any sensible Assamese would want. And when you talk of threat and
fear, well...... we have been living with it. nothing new about it.
Yes, you are quite right about one thing though. who will be allowed
to take part. You? Me ? People like Sandip Dutta or Utpal Borpujari.
Nah we won't be :)
On 10/11/07, Ram Sarangapani
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast
Hehehe! Not so fast. Here are some potential problems I see in the
way it is conducted, and who will be allowed to take part in it.
It would be a bad idea if illegal Bangladeshi's or ISI types are
also given a chance to voice their opinion.
And how will this be conducted? Even today, when there is a call for
Assam bondho, there is no one to challenge it. Will the plebicite be
conducted under the threat of violence?
And lastly, Nayan, we have seen in even this microscopic sample
(Assam net), we are not able to even accept the results of a poll
nor come to a consensus, and you think, C'da and others will accept
something as serious as a plebicite if it goes against their wishes?
Lastly, I seriously doubt if the Indian Govt. will accept to hold a
plebicite. Agreeing to hold a plebicite would be tantamount to
declaring (for the Govt,) that maybe, just maybe Assam could be
sovereign, and the Govts. points are not that strong.
Furthermore, the Govt. of India is just a CARETAKER of the country
and her people. It does not have any rights to give away portions of
the country when it pleases, or even hold plebicites that could well
cast doubts in the territorial integrity of the country . Well,
thats the way I understand the essence of the Indian Constitution.
That I think is a big reason why Kashmir couldn't have a plebicite
either.
In any case, IMHO, like Kashmir, the role for a plebicite is too
late for Assam
--Ram
On 10/10/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
see i told you C Da will barge in. anyway, maybe a plebiscite is not
a bad idea at all. atleast let the whole world know what people
really want in assam. assamese people who stay in assam, work in
assam, have their families in assam, live here and die here. they
should be the ones to decide what they want. i fully agree with C
da. let there be a plebiscite. but before that it should be
gauranteed by all concerned that people's wishes will be respected.
On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued
servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite
to put an end to the speculations, wouldn't it?
Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation poll?
At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad
even from a poll that one doesn't trust.
It is encouraging to note that that some 43% sent in their votes
thru surface mail.
Any reasons why the PCG did not publish the results? Also, does
this result in any way match up with those conducted by the Assam
Public Works (or Service) group?
_________________
On 10/10/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
yes, i read the report. but now that you have pointed it out, you
can be rest assured that somebody (C Da) will deny the authenticity
of that report. i am reproducing the relevant paragraph below for
easy access. you can also see the editorial in
<http://assamtimes.org/>assamtimes.org and comment. i wrote that on
request of the webmaster.
<http://www.newswatch.in/news-analyses/attacks-on-scribes/5060.html>Assam
journalists condemn ULFA threat to editors
June 15, 2006 | Newswatch Desk | Newswatch
LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS OF THE ARTICLE ------->"The nine-member PCG,
formed on September 8, 2005, includes engineer Mukul Mahanta,
journalists Ajit Bhuyan, Haider Hussain and Diganta Konwar, medic
Brajen Gogoi, advocate Arup Borbora, advisor to the Asom
Jatiyatabadi Yuba Chatra Parishad Dilip Patgiri, advisor to the
Manab Adhikar Sangram Samiti Lachit Bordoloi, and sports organiser
Hiranya Saikia. Litterateur Indira Raisom Goswami and former
footballer player Rebati Phukan act as facilitators, and maintain
links between the government and the consultative group.
Shortly after it was formed, the group asked people of the state to
express their opinion about the peace process. About 5,670 people
responded to that survey of which 1,500 odd were through SMS,
another 1,700 through e-mails, and rest through land mail. The
results of the survey were not announced Amar Asom exposed it. The
result, according to the newspaper, only 300 or so people supported
ULFA and its cause, while the rest voiced their opinion in the
negative."
On 10/10/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
Check the last para of this ---
<http://www.newswatch.in/news-analyses/attacks-on-scribes/5060.html>http://www.newswatch.in/news-analyses/attacks-on-scribes/5060.html
Looks like PCG too tried similar polls .... not sure
if the pollsters were uneducated and "IMMATURE,
UNINFORMED and UNREALISTIC to the core".
PCG was too shy to publish the results :-)
BTW, while it is fair to assume that visitors of
<http://assamtimes.org/>assamtimes.org (or even those who responded to PCG)
are not a fair representation of Assam, can someone
explain WHO forms a fair representation of Assam ---
the villagers who lynch ULFA every now and then, the
School teachers who are killed by ULFA, the traders
whose business get impacted because of regular
bombblast, the journalists who are threatened by
ULFA, the intellectuals (including AXX) who discard
the idea of Sovereignty, the NRAs ??????
Entirely faulty premise for the poll.
WHO visits <http://assamtimes.org/> assamtimes.org ? Are they a fair
representation of Assam's polity?
If the pollsters are as uneducated about as simple
an issue as this,
what will anybody learn from it?
IMMATURE, UNINFORMED and UNREALISTIC to the core.
At 12:47 AM +0530 10/10/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
please take part in the opinion poll going on in
< <http://www.assamtimes.org/>
http://www.assamtimes.org><http://www.assamtimes.org/>
www.assamtimes.org
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