I just thought of passing this half-baked and illogical mail but just clarifying a few points ---
1) PCG and Assamtimes both used polls where some section of people casted their vote 2) Neither PCG NOR Assamtimes PRESENTED it as proof of anything. However Assamtimes have been honest to publish the results while PCG preferred to push it under the carpet. 3) CM used different yardsticks for assamtimes poll and PCG poll due to reasons unknown. Who is disingenuous? 4) We are assuming here that PCG did not conduct the polls just for FUN 5) CM used the word Allegedly and when challenged spinned it with points like who is responsible to proved proof of allegation. However he Forgot that it is HE who is putting ALLEGATION against the News Paper and so HE should prove that the news report is disingenous. 6) CM discounts anybody and everybody barring a handful of his followers as not a representation of Assam polity. My logic is, Assam polity will include people of Assam which includes villagers of Assam who forms majority of Assam population as well as city dwelers. If CM knows of others who should be included, he is free to suggest. I will rest it here as I would not prefer to comment on someones intelligence or integrity etc. >>K wrote:" >BTW, while it is fair to assume that visitors of assamtimes.org (or >even those who responded to PCG) >are not a fair representation of Assam, And then asked: ">>can someone explain WHO forms a fair representation of Assam ---" *** Look at the quandary he faces! And then he goes on to demand to know who represents Assam polity by guiding us with his wisdoms : > >the villagers who lynch ULFA every now and then, the School >teachers who are killed by ULFA, the >traders whose business get >impacted because of regular bombblast, the journalists who are >threatened byULFA, the intellectuals (including AXX) who >discardthe idea >of Sovereignty,the NRAs ?????? He covered EVERYONE he could imagine. Or did he? If that was ALL his imagination could reach, what should we think of his imaginative abilities? Was he playing with a full deck, or was he being patently disingenuous? > >And when I asked him: **** How about trying it yourself? Is it that hard >a task? How did he respond? This is how: > Good that you answered it, in your own way of course :-) Utpal >should now be aware of quality of >responses he can expect from you. *** Go figure that! ************************************************************************************************************* He demanded to know if I would use the same kind of harsh, judgmental words as I used on assamtimes for the premise of the poll it is conducting on the alleged PCG poll on similar lines. I replied: " I might if someone present it here as a proof of anything. Did they?" So what was K's response? This was what: >How can they? It would have opened a can of worms for them .... >they preferred to shut it but >some journalist (you know the spy of GOI ) unlocked it ...... so sad for you. >But hey , did assamnet presented the poll as a "proof of anything"? >Sure I missed it. But then, with all >your intelligence why don't >you show it to us. He tells us PCG can't present it as proof of anything. But he still wants demands that I tell him whether I would use the same harsh and judgemental words IF they did? Is that powerful logic or what? I will let netters decide. ************************************************************************************************************* cm At 2:54 PM -0700 10/10/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty wrote: > > >However, the question I have for you ... will >you >>use the same strong words (uneducated, immature, >>uninformed etc) against PCG? If not, WHY? > > >>**** I might if someone present it here as a proof >of anything. Did they? > >**** How can they? It would have opened a can of >worms for them .... they preferred to shut it but >some journalist (you know the spy of GOI ) unlocked it >...... so sad for you. >But hey , did assamnet presented the poll as a "proof >of anything"? Sure I missed it. But then, with all >your intelligence why don't you show it to us. > > > >> >***** ALLEGEDLY ???? If PCG did not conduct one >they >>>can readily file a defamation suite against the news >>papers. Did they ??? > > >>>**** The responsibility to provide proof of an >>>allegation is the >>>accuser's, not the defendant's. Don't you have that >>>simple knowledge? > > >>>How would you react if I asked you a question >>>like: "Hey, when did >>>you stop beating your wife" and you protested , >>>could I get away with >>>asking for proof that you had never beaten your >wife, or suggesting >>>you go sue to clear your name? > >***** SPINMASTER !!! > >At the very least, I will pass on a statement that >what you are saying is false. Did PCG pass any such >statement? > >With your logic, any one can go around saying >anything against anybody. May be that is your version > of Free Speech !! > > >>>If this is not an utterly s****d question, what >is? > >*** Actually, there are many from you -- both >questions and answers.... just search the forum and >you will get excellent examples. > > > >>*** Good that you answered it, in your own way of >course :-) Utpal >>should now be aware of quality of >responses he can >expect from you. > > >>>>**** I did not answer the question, again, because >it was another >>>utterly s****d question for someone like you to ask. > I did not wish >>>to use this harsh words to characterize your >>>questions and comments, >>>but you asked for it. > >**** Cool down ... you got so agitated when I pointed >to PCG ... looks like I touched a raw nerve. But then >again, your level of answers are well known to >netters. >BTW, looks like your style of answering is very >similar to those whom you are trying to defend. Not >sure if you trained them :-) > >>>I did not wish >>>to use this harsh words to characterize your >>>questions and comments, > > >**** You know, I have been in this forum for quite >sometime and learnt a lot from you. So don't take it >personally if many of my questions and comments >resembles your ones very closely. > >>>I like to think that Utpal's intellect is several >>>cuts above what >>>you display here. > >**** Definitely ... until he catches you on the wrong >foot. > > > > > > > > > > > > >At 1:32 PM -0700 10/10/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty >wrote: >> >>**** So does that therefore make assamtimes poll >a >>>scientific, >>>representative and objective one? >> >> >>C'da , as usual, you could not come out of your >>habit of putting words in ones mouth. I NEVER said >>that because PCG did one, assamtimes poll is >>scientific. >> >>However, the question I have for you ... will you >>use the same strong words (uneducated, immature, > >uninformed etc) against PCG? If not, WHY? >> >> >>>>If it does , because PCG too allegedly conducted >>>one, then should we >>>NOT surmise that everyone >>>else ought to heed what PCG does or advise? Wouldn't >>>that be the >>>logical conclusion? >> >>***** ALLEGEDLY ???? If PCG did not conduct one they >>can readily file a defamation suite against the news >>papers. Did they ??? >>If PCG first adhere to the verdict of people as per >>the poll which they conducted, we should have no >>reason not to heed to their advise. >>But the million dollar question is .... is PCG >willing >>to hear the voice of people or are they moving with a >>pre-determined notion (and that seems to be the >reason >>why they did not want to share results of poll). >> >>>can someone explain WHO forms a fair representation >>of Assam --- >> > >>>**** How about trying it yourself? Is it that hard >a > > task? >> > >*** Good that you answered it, in your own way of >>course :-) Utpal should now be aware of quality of > >responses he can expect from you. Utpal, you can >also >>check the thread "slept like a baby" to have the >whole >>gamut of response you can expect from C'da ! >> >> >> >>>>*** Is that the best list of who consist of the >>>>people of Assam you >>>>could come up with? >> >>*** Well, I guess I missed one ..... the >>Bangladeshis. In fact, I think it is best if the >>poll is conducted in Bangladesh ... you know, where >>our future leaders are breeding.... what do you say >>:-) >> >>At 10:15 AM -0700 10/10/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty >>wrote: >>>Check the last para of this --- >>>http://www.newswatch.in/news-analyses/attacks-on-scribes/5060.html >>> >>>Looks like PCG too tried similar polls .... not >sure >>>if the pollsters were uneducated and "IMMATURE, >>>UNINFORMED and UNREALISTIC to the core". >> >> >> >> >>>>**** So does that therefore make assamtimes poll a >>scientific, >>representative and objective one? >> >>>>If it does , because PCG too allegedly conducted >>>one, then should we >>>NOT surmise that everyone >>>else ought to heed what PCG does or advise? Wouldn't >>>that be the >>>logical conclusion? >> >> >> >>> >BTW, while it is fair to assume that visitors of > >assamtimes.org >>>(or even those who responded to PCG) > >>are not a fair representation of Assam, >> >> >>**** Do I need to explain that? If I do, it will >>certainly mean that >>it will be an entirely wasted effort. >> >> > >>can someone explain WHO forms a fair representation > >of Assam --- >> >>**** How about trying it yourself? Is it that hard a >>task? >> >> >> > >> >the villagers who lynch ULFA every now and then, > >the School >>>teachers who are killed by ULFA, the >traders whose >>business get >>>impacted because of regular >>>bombblast, the journalists who are threatened >>byULFA, the >>>intellectuals (including AXX) who >discardthe idea >of >>Sovereignty, > >>the NRAs ?????? > > >> >> >>*** Is that the best list of who consist of the >people >>of Assam you >>could come up with? >> >> >>We can see now why you ask the questions you do. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>>PCG was too shy to publish the results :-) >>> >>>BTW, while it is fair to assume that visitors of >>>assamtimes.org (or even those who responded to PCG) >>>are not a fair representation of Assam, can someone >>>explain WHO forms a fair representation of Assam >--- >>>the villagers who lynch ULFA every now and then, >the >>>School teachers who are killed by ULFA, the traders >>>whose business get impacted because of regular >>>bombblast, the journalists who are threatened by >>>ULFA, the intellectuals (including AXX) who discard >>>the idea of Sovereignty, the NRAs ?????? >>> >>> >>>>>Entirely faulty premise for the poll. >>> >>>>>WHO visits assamtimes.org ? Are they a fair >>>representation of Assam's polity? >>> >>>>>If the pollsters are as uneducated about as simple >>>an issue as this, >>>what will anybody learn from it? >>> >>>>>IMMATURE, UNINFORMED and UNREALISTIC to the core. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>At 12:47 AM +0530 10/10/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote: >>>>please take part in the opinion poll going on in >>>><http://www.assamtimes.org>www.assamtimes.org >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Nayanjyoti Medhi >>>>Advocate >>>>Gauhati High Court > >>> >>>>Chamber: >>>>Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East >>>>Guwahati-781001, Assam >>>> >>>>Phone: >>>>+91 361 2416960 >>>>+91 94350 43007 >>>> >>>>Email: >>>><mailto:nayanjyoti.medhi at ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! 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