KC, >About the benefit of doubt -- had it not been Ripun >Bora would you think about giving him benefit of >doubt. Did you think about benefit of doubt when (for >example) ....
Oh! I wasn't suggesting that the whole world give him the benefit of doubt - just netters. Yes, it is precisely because I have known him for so long, and I find it difficult to believe that he would do this. As to his huge wealth etc, I haven't kept up with that. But is that why he was arrested? If Ripun Bora is guilty/suspected of murder, why wasn't he arrested for murder? And if he, and is found guilty, he should be punished as any common criminal. Till then. --Ram da On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Krishnendu Chakraborty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Ram-da > > I would say it would be naive to be prejudiced based > on what one was during the student days. During those > days most people are idealistic and covered with a > romanticism to change the world. Days change and > people do change. > > One good example of this is the AGP leaders who were > considered the saviour of Assam during the agitation > days (they were AASU leaders then). > > About the benefit of doubt -- had it not been Ripun > Bora would you think about giving him benefit of > doubt. Did you think about benefit of doubt when (for > example) Lalu got involved in the fodder scam . > I understand your psychology .... you have seen a > honest person and so now it becomes difficult to > imagine that he can do any wrong. But think from > other's angle ... people who see that 99% of > politicians are corrupt . Why they would give him a > benefit of doubt ? > > > There are news reports quoting Topno's mother that > Bora offered them money to drop the case asking for > CBI probe . Is it a part of the game ? May be. > > Bora's current declared asset is over one crore > including two flats in Delhi's posh Vasant Kunj > (which are grossly under valued) without any loan. > What is the salary of an ACS ? And remember , that is > just the declared Asset. > > As for the journo being in Delhi , had it not been > real would the media not side with their colleague ? > > I am with you in the hope that he gets a fair trial > but as for Media sensalization, I would not be too > hopeful. As I showed earlier, be in US or India, > public figures would remain focus of Media in such > cases. > > > > > > >Hi KC, > > > >Let me try to answer as best as I can. First things > first, though. I should > >outright say that I have known Ripun since our Cotton > College days. We are > >good friends. I have always enquired about him, and > he has of me thru other > >friends. > > Of course, I have not seen him for well over 25 years. > As colleagues, we > knew him to be one of the best to have around - > sensitive, caring, and > honest. So, this thing does come as a jolt to us. But > I have been trying to > be fair, and at the same time trying to give him the > benefit of doubt. > > I know that many here (on this net) and the media have > already condemned and > possibily convicted him - just wondering if Assam > netters (some of the most > intelligent people are here) could also afford him > that benefit of doubt - > but maybe I am wrong and asking for too much:) > > Yes, you are correct that arrests are made on the > assumption of guilt - but > that is for the authorities, that is how it works. > There is a process, and > let Bora go thru that. > > But as statement like "he was arrested because he did > something wrong" tells > me that > > (a) innocent people are never arrested and (b) what > the CBI tells us is the > Gospel, and it is somehow the last bastion of truth. > > >1) Why did he ask a CBI officer from Kolkata to meet > him in Delhi ? 2) Why > was a > >journalist from Assam accompanying him to Delhi? Was > it an official > assignment of the journo ? > > Yeah, I read these too. But who is saying this? The > CBI (which you also say > is considered corrupt)? > > There have been a number of times even over this very > net, in situations > like this, people on this net have asked the system > play out (even though > there may be a corrupt system), but with Bora's case, > some seem to be more > than willing to get a rope. > > >Think about the recent case of NY Governor who had to > >resign because of a sex scandal. Did the media wait > >for due process etc before turning the attention to > >him ... > > I hope there is a big difference between how the media > thinks and how common > folks like us think. > > Maybe its hope against hope, but I do hope he gets a > fair trial, and a fair > pre-trial sensationalism, if thats not asking too > much. > > --Ram da > > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Krishnendu > Chakraborty <krish_gau at yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > Ram-da > > > > I do not think that an average Assamese (or Indian) > > think that Bora is the *ONLY* corrupt politician. > > However, since he was caught the attention turned > to > > him. All your arguments that he might have been > > trapped or CBI is also corrupt etc are valid but > the > > questions remain .... 1) Why did he ask a CBI > officer > > from Kolkata to meet him in Delhi ? 2) Why was a > > journalist from Assam accompanying him to Delhi? > Was > > it an official assignment of the journo ? > > > > Think about the recent case of NY Governor who had > to > > resign because of a sex scandal. Did the media wait > > for due process etc before turning the attention to > > him ... > > > > Public figures enjoy a lot of privileges but one > > missed step and they end up being the most > despicable > > person. > > > > > > >>You assumed he did Wrong and that is why he was > > arrested. > > > > Arrests all over the world are largely based on some > > degree of ASSUMPTION that someone committed a > crime. > > The court decides if the assumption is correct. > > > > > > > > > > >>You are taking shelter under the fallacy that two > > wrongs make a right.The > > >>fact that most politicians are corrupt does not > mean > > that Bora has one > > right > > >>to fill his pocket with ill-gotten money > > > > >Am I? You are trying to put words in my mouth. When > > >did I ever claim the > > >above or argue that Bora or anyone for that matter > > has that right and I > > hope, I don't look stupid as I look! > > > > Let us look at this exchange between you and me > below: > > > > *You: >The bottom line is--- Bora was > > apprehended because of the > > fact > > >that he did something wrong. > > * > > *Me:* >Really, the others don't do anything > > wrong? Or is it they > > simply did not get caught, and >Bora did? IMHO > Bora's > > crime was being > > stupid to get caught or getting placed in a > situation > > where >he >could be ID > > ed. > > > > You assumed he did Wrong and that is why he was > > arrested. IF that is the > > standard in India, the jails would be full. My > > question is this, why aren't > > others who do wrong also arrested?. > > > > > > --Ram > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:05 PM, kamal deka > <kjit.deka > > at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > You are taking shelter under the fallacy that two > > wrongs make a right.The > > > fact that most politicians are corrupt does not > mean > > that Bora has one > > > right > > > to fill his pocket with ill-gotten money.The issue > > of corruption,a vital > > > one,is a different kettle of fish .After scanning > > media reports,I don't > > > find > > > an iota of indication that the sting operation was > > carried out on account > > > of > > > personal vendetta.What I do best is collate > > information and draw my own > > > inference. > > > KJD > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > assam mailing list > [email protected] > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > _______________________________________________ assam mailing list [email protected] http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
