Chandan I don't know how to thank you for those right words. You have my full agreement. Keep up the good work. Rajen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chan Mahanta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around theworld" <[email protected]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul- ambika shukla pls stand up and send a clarification
>I never cease to marvel at the demand for 'strong punishment' for > every imaginable 'desi-sin' or crime or affront to one's sense of > justice or what have you. From Presidents to PMs to members of > parliament > to civic leaders to religious gurus to assamnetters--that is always a > common theme, the thread that binds desis in the pursuit of justice > of their desires. > > What however is forever missing from the equation is WHO will decide > if the punishment fits the crime, if it IS a CRIME to begin with, WHO > will investigate the crime , WHO will prosecute, WHO will judge and > WHO will mete out punishment, IF warranted ? > > > Only the abject fool or those in self-induced comas would fail to > notice that RAREL, if ever, anyone gets any of those demanded > 'strong-punisments' in India for even the most egregious of crimes. > > Ambika Shukla and others like her are not oblivious of that. And that > is why her article : To punish the Naga student Yoronso. And the > Asian Age and the Deccan Chronicle are also acutely aware of the > problem, and thus willing partners in Shukla's crusade for PRIVATE > justice, of the lynch mob. > > The first question before we demand punishment should be to inquire > WHAT exactly the CRIME is. > > **** Is it dog-meat eating? Is it a crime in India? > > **** Is it cruelty to the dog before it becomes meat? Is there a > prescribed standard, a basic minimum of humane ways of butchering > living things for meat in Indian laws ? Or even in commonly accepted > social norm? > > > > Then we should ask IF the account presented believable? > > > The carefully detailed atrocities and acts of cruelty could not come > from anyone but an eyewitness who had absolutely no way to prevent or > mitigate what supposedly went on in that room where Yoronso and his > two accomplices committed the acts of savagery. > > > Obviously Shukla was not the eyewitness. > > > She either concocted it or accepted whatever was given to her by > whoever. It is an obviously embellished account. > > But do we have any way of determining HOW MUCH it was embellished, > or exaggerated or even down-played ? > > There may very well be elements of truth the account. But how much? > Is it deserving of STRONG PUNISHMENT? Is it even punishable? > > > > > My verdict: > > Shukla is either : > > A: A fool or at best an immature, ignorant zealot, driven > by her own agenda, > never mind how noble. > > B: A conspirator , a scheming zealot out to punish a man, > never mind if the charges > against him is true or not. She and her enablers, the Asian > Age and the Deccan Chronicle > should be sued for libel, at the very least. > > But we know what good that will do. > > cm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 8:11 PM +0800 7/21/08, Jyotirmoy Sharma wrote: >>Hi Alpana >>If you have seen my earlier posts, you will see that I was one of the few >>who advocated strong punishment for Yoronso for the barbaric crime of >>beating an animal to death for food. >>People got carried away with the "NE" generalisation, forgetting the >>original crime. >>Also, I would like to see what the Naga Associations think of this. There is >>no race called "north easterners". The author is a typical hindustani wallah >>whose knowledge beyond the hindi belt is probably zero. >>I also saw the link, the petition by JNU where people from all over the >>world commented and were understandably disgusted. >>JS >> >> >>On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Alpana B. Sarangapani < >>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Great to hear from you, Ram. >>> >>> I just wanted to butt in here to make a few things clear. >>> >>> This "story" has been doing the rounds for the last 10 days or so. >>> >>> Right from the beginning, I have not read any one writing that torturing >>> the dog 'Kali' was the right thing to do. Everyone has said that they were >>> appaled/agast/sorry etc. about the torture. >>> >>> I don't know if you read those mails right from the beginning, this point >>> has been repeated over and over again. And frankly, this is nothing new >> > here. Nobody has objected about Shukla's crusade for preventing animal >>> cruelty. >>> >>> The basic problem with Ambika Shukla is: >>> >>> a) She generalized all North East Indians and made it look like we all eat >>> dog meat and ill-treat animals. >>> >>> b) She was condescending. >>> >>> c) The student in question should go through the Indian legal system, >>> instead of being convicted by some media hype. >>> >>> Let us not make it look like this is the first time we woke up and found >>> out that torturing of dog (or any animal) is reprehensible. >>> >>> BTW, if you did not know, we have two lovely German Shepherds which we >>> treat as our children. >>> >>> I am sorry, if I offended anybody but reading your note made me wonder if >>> this point (of condemning the torture incident) was ever missed. FYI, this >>> point has been written over and over again right from the beginning. >>> >>> I am just disgusted. >>> >>> - Alpana Baideu >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and >>> humble like a blade of grass." >>> >>> >>> >>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected]; >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:29:39 -0400> Subject: >>> Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul- ambika shukla pls stand up and send a >>> clarification> > > Kamalda,> Great observation there ..i agree with yr >>> comments and as a pet owner i am horrified to read about that incident .> > >>> Ambika bhen :-) > > If yr husband used his troops to search that dog, shame >>> on him and his troops. Indian tax payers are not paying army for such >>> mission . > If he went to village elder and just requested him to find out >>> from his village folks if they have seen that dog and holding it...that i >>> guess is FINE as village elders in many NE communities are well respected >>> and folks listen to them .....we dont know the details and I am giving yr >>> husband a benefit of doubt here.> > Pls send a letter to that newspaper with >>> some sort of clarification on this article which has angered us here. We >>> will welcome that.> > take care> > another not required Indian > > > > > > > >>> > > > Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:21:06 -0500> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: [email protected]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Assam] Murder >>> Most Foul> > Hello Ambikaji,> > Namaste.I am writing this in reference to >>> the piece written by you entitled> " Murder Most Foul " ( The Deccan >>> Herald,July 15 2008 ).> First point first.Please allow me to join hands in >>> running crusade against> those who mistreat animals.We all, with our right >>> conscience,ought to take> anyone to task with harshest language possible for >>> abusing animals.An> exemplary punishment must be meted out to the Naga >>> student, who subjected an> animal to such a cruel treatment.The court of law >>> must decide first as to> whether or not he is guilty of the crime,he is >>> accused to have committed.At> this time,I would not rush to judgement >>> pending full disclosure of> facts.I,therefore, would prefer to remain >>> skeptical until full findings by> the court are out in the open.> I >>> am,however,shell-shocked by one of your statement in which you have> bunched >>> the people of the North-Eastern states together and stratified them> as >>> one.A direct quote would,perhaps,carry the right flavor :> >>> "Apparently,North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs> >>> ".A well-informed person like you must be aware of the fact that the> >>> North-East region consists of seven states ( gone up to eight with the> >>> inclusion of Sikkim ).Each of these states differs from the other in terms> >>> of diet,dialect and dress.Without a modicum of the doubt,the people hailing> >>> from most of these states don't consume dog meat.It is but natural that an> >>> Assamese and a Manipuri or a Tripuri for that matter would take umbrage at> >>> this sweeping generalisation.> May I request you to retract the particular >>> statement in order to clear> things as day light? If you find me in error in >>> saying so,please feel free> to explain as to where I have erred.> Regards,> >>> Kamaljit Deka> Sugarland,Texas.> >>> _______________________________________________> assam mailing list> >> > [email protected]> >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org> >>> _________________________________________________________________> Keep your >>> kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety.> >>> >>>http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008> >>> _______________________________________________> assam mailing list> >>> [email protected]> >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. >>> >>> >>>http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> assam mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>assam mailing list >>[email protected] >>http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > _______________________________________________ > assam mailing list > [email protected] > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > _______________________________________________ assam mailing list [email protected] http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
