>Even in recent days, we have seen as in the CWG and the Hemanta Sarma cases - that public vigilance, and publicity pays off.
*** Pays off ? How Ram? What has changed? What do you believe will be different tomorrow or next year ? Has anyone been held accountable? Or are you telling us that the appearance ( the demand for justice and the APPEARANCE of investigating in this instance) is the same thing as the REAL thing, with closure, in a meaningful period of time ( as opposed to two decades thereafter) ? No wonder then the make believe, the appearance has replaced ALL the real things in India, and it shows. On Aug 14, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: >> The question is, where does India fall? > *** Good question Ram. Why don't you tell us what YOU think. > > > That's a tough question to answer, C'da. I really don't know - but maybe you > will tell us :-) > > But : > it is because it's own people have neglected it, > > While those who control the machinery (the ministers, the babus, the > Kalamadis and so on) are certainly to blame, the 'Aam aadmi' also have a > huge role to play. Many a time they are forced to play along to get things > done, but are often just too willing to grease palms to get things done. > > The bureaucracy, and the endless chain of moving files from one clerk to > another and one babu to another does provide ample avenues for a susustible > **population to give up and start greasing palms. > > If there is a stiff resistance & vigilance from people, corruption from > these higher ups would not be so easy. > > Even in recent days, we have seen as in the CWG and the Hemanta Sarma cases > - that public vigilance, and publicity pays off. Active and healthy > participation of the people is an important part of a democracy. > > --Ram > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> The question is, where does India fall? >> >> *** Good question Ram. Why don't you tell us what YOU think. >> >> Perhaps you can, for starters, expand on your theorem: >> >>> it is because it's own people have >>> neglected it, >> >> >> I am sure there will be others who will chime in. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 14, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: >> >>> Hi JS, >>> >>>> Punishment can be severe - from caning to jail terms. Behind all the >>>> glitz and glamour a lot of Singaporeans are unhappy. >>> >>> If I remember correctly, this topic came up a few years ago on this net. >> At >>> that time there was an attempt to >>> compare India with S'Pore, and that India possibly emulate the S'pore >> model. >>> >>> >>> The S'porean dictatorship as you rightly say, in the end leaves them >>> unhappy. >>> >>> The problem in India is a bit different. Democracy in India for many >>> people, means the freedom to steal, destroy public property, >>> be more corrupt than the next guy, the freedom to have state/national >> bandhs >>> at the drop of a hat, and re-elect the >>> same corrupt again and again, and then moan and groan all day. >>> >>> If democracy is not working in India, it is because it's own people have >>> neglected it, and have used the 'liberties' >>> of a democracy for their own personal use. It is really unfortunate that >>> Indians have not yet been able to use the >>> ideals of democracy to benefit the country as a whole. >>> >>> When GW Bush invaded Iraq, one of the many reasons given was to to >> 'export' >>> democracy to the Iraqis. Maybe Western democracy >>> works only for certain countries. >>> >>> The recipe may not be for others. The rest are possibly too ingrained in >>> their ways, to even attempt such pursuits. >>> They possibly need strong-arm leaders to lead, and show them right from >>> wrong, goals and non-goals, >>> use more sticks & fewer carrots,... and so on :-) >>> >>> The question is, where does India fall? >>> >>> PS: C'da - I used 'where', not WHEN :-) >>> >>> >>> --Ram da >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 7:07 AM, Jyotirmoy Sharma < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Mayur >>>> Quite an accurate description of Singapore - meticulate, disciplined, >>>> clean and orderly. It is one city where one would feel safe, >>>> irrespective of time. >>>> Changi airport is infact the best in the world. Have been to quite a >>>> few places but Changi hasn't been matched. >>>> http://www.worldairportawards.com/Awards_2010/Airport2010.htm >>>> Food and transport in Singapore is relatively cheap for a developed >>>> nation. Eg: a 30 min drive in a taxi costing <$10. In Aus, it would >>>> have cost $40-50. >>>> Singapore's main income is tourism and hence many of the touristy >>>> places eg Sentosa island, Night Safari etc feels a bit overcrowded. We >>>> went during Cmas and for a trip to Sentosa, we had to queue for around >>>> 1 hr before getting a ride in the cable car to take us to the island. >>>> That was torture. Even the aquarium was crowded. It doesn't help when >>>> I am claustrophobic. Yes, there are endless shopping centres and most >>>> are open till late. As food is cheap, many Singaporean eat their meals >>>> outside( ie many do not cook meals ) >>>> You may have missed the latest attaction of S'pore - the casino. >>>> Checkout some pics of the Casino hotel >>>> >>>> >> http://www.impactlab.net/2010/06/25/the-amazing-marina-bay-sands-skypark-hotel-opens-in-singapore/ >>>> >>>> The only downside to Singapore is - lack of democracy. It is an >>>> autocratic govt, controlled by the Chinese majority. There is no >>>> opposition party.. The same party gets re-elected over and over again. >>>> No one can protest anything against the Govt. The media is controlled >>>> by the Govt. >>>> Punishment can be severe - from caning to jail terms. Behind all the >>>> glitz and glamour a lot of Singaporeans are unhappy. Many willingly >>>> migrate to greener pastures of the West - including Australia, New >>>> Zealand. But at least their politicians think well and work for the >>>> betterment of their country, unlike the Indian ( and Axomiya ) netas. >>>> >>>> JS >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> assam mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> assam mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> assam mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >> > _______________________________________________ > assam mailing list > [email protected] > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _______________________________________________ assam mailing list [email protected] http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
