You may be right there A . Things do have a way of accumulating over the decades :-) :-). While thunder from a clear sky could conceivably happen, more than likely however it does not.
On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote: > And I know exactly how a BROAD LITTLE Assamese mind can get a good chuckle > over a subtle but meaningful starting line. It was like a long awaited > opportunity, can't be an instant comment to entertain > Others jokingly. That's how a silent politician mind works. > > I wouldn't waste my energy on anything like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ram Sarangapani <[email protected]> > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:44:20 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Assam] Fw: Bangladeshis -the flip side of the story > >> **** There is no zealot like a new convert, is there :-)? > > You mean the new kharkhowa (zealot) who just realizes his/her roots, and > suddenly starts thinking Assam > If I am a zealot, I would be termed as an old one. For me, being born and > brought up at Guwahati brings with the closeness for my identification & > basically does the trick. > > I could have actually ignored all this (like some Kharkhowas), and continued > my life in the US. > > I think, that is why these ties and bonds makes many of us discuss & argue > about Assam. > > --Ram > > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Ram Sarangapani gets his rights by assimilation later. :-) >>> >>> >> >> >> **** There is no zealot like a new convert, is there :-)? >> >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 18, 2010, at 9:28 PM, Dilip Deka wrote: >> >>> Also remember, the people who migrated to Assam many centuries ago and >> their >>> descendants have as much right to remain in Assam, as any of the tribes, >>> hills or plain. That includes Kamal Deka, Chandan Mahanta, me and many >> others. >>> Ram Sarangapani gets his rights by assimilation later. :-) >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Forwarded Message ---- >>> From: Dilip Deka <[email protected]> >>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world >>> <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 9:20:22 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Assam] Bangladeshis -the flip side of the story >>> >>> I have just one comment - we cannot live in the past, we need to live n >> the >>> present and prepare for the future. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Ram Sarangapani <[email protected]> >>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world >>> <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 7:45:26 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Assam] Bangladeshis -the flip side of the story >>> >>> Very well put KJD. >>> >>> Many of the discussions like this involve a number of dichothomies. >>> >>> Quite often, we find some groups of people demanding a unique identity >> for >>> Assam (or Kashmir as the case may be). The central theme is such cases is >>> Assam is so different from the rest of India, shares little with it, that >> it >>> needs to be separate from India. >>> >>> Then the same groups have absolutely no qualms of B'deshis illegally >>> entering Assam, or Pakistanis encroaching into Kashmir - whereby changing >>> the entire political landscape of these regions. Now, suddenly these >> same >>> folks are willing to embrace the B'deshis with open arms. And everyone is >>> required to show empathy to the illegal immigrants. There are suggestions >> to >>> erase borders and think of the world with no borders. >>> >>> The political aims of these groups are probably hidden somewhere between >>> these two juxtaposing sets of ideas. In many a case I suspect, the aim is >>> cherry picking at will, and at the opportune times, and what suits them >>> best. >>> >>> btw: Uttam - thanks for forwarding this. It is an important topic to be >>> discussing, and hopefully discussions are taken in that spirit. -- Ram da >>> >>> Just my 2 cents. >>> >>> --Ram >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:17 PM, kamal deka <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> When did this >>>> word come about and when did the Assamese language originate is >> confusing, >>>> but >>>> it is well established that his word and this language is not from the >> days >>>> of >>>> Mahabharat.If that is so, what happened to the original people of >>>> those Mahabharat times <<< >>>> >>>> If we take the legitimacy of current nation-states on the basis of >>>> centuries of common continuous political rule over the same >>>> geographical boundary and inhabited by the same people, then >>>> practically no country on the planet meets this criteria. Simply put, >>>> shifting nature of political kingdoms and their boundaries over the >>>> centuries legitimize virtually no country in its present form. >>>> KJD >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:30 PM, uttam borthakur >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> The following is surely not my view, as it comes from a tormentor, but >> as >>>> this issue appears in this forum as well, I am quoting this person >>>> ad-verbatim, as he has been busy doing some research on this subject and >>>> engaged in Immigration Law related activities in Australia, as I am made >> to >>>> understand. Please read on:- >>>>> "Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> Reading ...... after a long time and lo .. my name seems to have >> cropped >>>> up here >>>>> and there. Good .. it keeps me in circulation lest people forget me. I >>>> would >>>>> like to clarify for ......... sake that my question of who is an >> Assamese >>>> is >>>>> something which each of us need to ask. We are all bloody immigrants >>>> ourselves >>>>> (a term used now in the Australian election campaign) or atleast most >> of >>>> us are >>>>> and we came as poor people or as religious preachers or as conquerors. >>>> But we >>>>> have taken over the land and now call ourselves Assamese, because >>>> someone, not >>>>> too long ago, decided to call this part of the world as Assam. When did >>>> this >>>>> word come about and when did the Assamese language originate is >>>> confusing, but >>>>> it is well established that his word and this language is not from the >>>> days of >>>>> Mahabharat. >>>>> >>>>> If that is so, what happened to the original people of those Mahabharat >>>> times ? >>>>> Well, we relegated them to the backgroud, so much so that they are now >>>> classed >>>>> as ST and are fighting for survival, not from onslaught of >> bangladeshis, >>>> as >>>>> .............. suggests, but from us !!!. We never ever referred to >> them >>>> as Assamese, >>>>> but would call them as Naga or Khasi or Bodo or Lalung etc. So much so >>>> that even >>>>> the people who were here before us, like the original Assamese Hindu >>>> people of >>>>> upper Assam and Golaghat (referring to Jabeen and her folks) who later >>>>> converted to Islam after coming into contact wth Azan Peer, are now no >>>> longer >>>>> referred to Assamese by us, the bloody immigrants, but only as Asomiya >>>> Musalman. >>>>> Did anyone ever refer to any of us as Assamese Hindu ? But we, the >> bloody >>>>> immigrants, always prefix or suffix such terms with others.. Bongali >>>> Hindu is >>>>> another example. >>>>> >>>>> No wonder, many of these people have now left us, others are trying to >>>> get away >>>>> from us and while still others are in the process. It is therefore no >>>> wonder, >>>>> that the only community that wants to get close to us as >> Assamese(others >>>> want to >>>>> leave us anyway) i.e. the immigrants from present Bangladesh, are >>>> shunned. And >>>>> this in spite of the fact that there is no data on when they came as >>>> immigrants, >>>>> many had in fact come well before independence (as reported by the >>>> Governor >>>>> hujur in his report to the President.. see www.satp.org >>>>> <http://www.satp.org> for the full >>>> report). >>>>> >>>>> The question of immigration is an age old one and there are thousands >> of >>>> books >>>>> and theories all around. The problem is not of immigrant, Chiranjit, >> but >>>> of >>>>> perception towards immigrants. It is also a question related to >> electoral >>>>> politics worldwide. You may like to refer to Samuel Huntington's theory >>>> of Clash >>>>> of Civilization. Why for example is Assam, the only state in India to >> be >>>>> subdivided so many times ? Why is Assam the only state in India where >> our >>>> own >>>>> "boys" are killing our own people ? And why is Assam, in spite of being >> a >>>> small >>>>> state, the only one which still wants more division, not only of the >>>> tribal >>>>> areas or the much feared greater Bangladesh, but of the such demands as >>>> Upor >>>>> Axom and Namoni Axom ? >>>>> >>>>> Most importantly, ........., you seems to be confused of what >> constitutes >>>> as an >>>>> Assamese, as you said it is what one feels deep down...that is a >>>> subjective >>>>> decision. Are you an Assamese, I ask ?Trace your family history and you >>>> may find >>>>> startling truths. Just because the British drew a line across Goalpara >> in >>>> 1947, >>>>> cutting the Koch areas in half, does not necessarily make the residents >>>> on the >>>>> other side as Bengalis, I think. >>>> ............../.......................... and others >>>>> from that belt, may even have some close relatives in West Bengal >> today.. >>>> so >>>>> were they Assamese till 15th August 1947 and became Bengalis after that >>>> !!! huh >>>>> !!! >>>>> >>>>> The issue is too large and complex. But we, the people of Assam, need >> to >>>> ask >>>>> ourselves some basic question, and not go about opening lungis of other >>>> people >>>>> and getting a ........................ pleasure of seeing the >>>> ..................... of a so called >>>>> immigrant. After all, we referred to some at one time as "lengta Noga" >>>> without >>>>> realising that we have always been quite naked ourselves ..... >>>>> >>>>> I would agree with ............ (for a change) that we have survived >>>> since the time of >>>>> Mahabharat, survived greater onslaughts of Mughals and Maan and a few >>>> people >>>>> from Bangladesh cannot overrun us. >>>>> >>>>> More on the "great" saviour Gopinath Bordoloi later ...!!! >>>>> >>>>> Sanjiv Goswami >>>>> (............) >>>>> P.S. It became too long but I could write a thesis on this topic." >>>>> >>>>> Uttam Kumar Borthakur >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> assam mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> assam mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> assam mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> assam mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> assam mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> assam mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >> > _______________________________________________ > assam mailing list > [email protected] > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > _______________________________________________ > assam mailing list > [email protected] > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _______________________________________________ assam mailing list [email protected] http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
