>You have learnt the tactic well Rajen. I also understand why you need
to use it. But I did not expect you to employ it.
Now, this hurts.
Why you have to write this?
I say Hobo Diok.
RB/
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 9:15
AM
Subject: --of blaming everything on GOI
for Assam's problems
R:
I missed another important point on your putting words in my mouth:
>So you judge yourself to be higher standard
member of the forum than the rest of us Nodai-Bhodais? How? By taking >the
popular Assamese position of blaming everything on GOI for Assam's
problems?
I don't recall blaming EVERYTHING on GoI. That may or may not be the
popular Assamese position. If we go by popular NRA position ( who I am sure
echo the sentiments of the Assam establishment whose alter-egos they are) as
seen in Assam net, nothing could be further from the truth. As a matter of
fact it would be quite the opposite--that according to them the victims are
the ones to be blamed. That the people of Assam have brought it upon
themselves.
But your ( and a few others' too) claim about MY blaming EVERYTHING on
GOI is the product of a tactic that some of our friends in the ASA-AANA fights
regarding joint conventions etc. have used on yours truly: They claim I oppose
ALL organizations, that I say organizations are unnecessary. Of course one
does not have to be a brain surgeon to see that assigning such a statement to
me, they can go on to assail it and ridicule it because that would be so easy
to do.
Then they can go on to imply what an idiot I am, and thus devalue my
arguments that stung them so.
You have learnt the tactic well Rajen. I also understand why you need to
use it. But I did not expect you to employ it.
c
At 2:17 AM -0600 1/2/05, Barua25 wrote:
>Why?
>That is because *I* hold the membership
of this forum to a higher standard.
So you judge
yourself to be higher standard member of the forum than the rest of us
Nodai-Bhodais? How? By taking the popular Assamese position of blaming
everything on GOI for Assam's problems?
I sau Hobo
Diok.
RB/
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Barua25
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: RE: Fwd: [Assam] 25 October Sentinel
report
Rajen:
>Unless you agree to this with
your heart and not just to 'humor me', it is pointless for me response
what I would do
You are asking me to agree that:
You should have known
that the correct Indian approach will be :
(1) By doing all of the
below:
By being abusive to them,
by criticizing them, by fighting against them attempting to defeat
them militarily, by refusing to recognize their
demand.
(2) And showing to do all
of the below:
>By sitting down with them,
trying to reason with them, by trying to present an alternative to their
>demand that both of you might be able to live with.
*** I won't go hair-splitting on an impromptu response you
made, just like most of us do. In other words I won't get into the
minutiae of the detailed meanings of the words and phrases like a lawyer
might in a court of law.
But there are two things to note:
1:
You are making a statement to characterize HOW the Indian
people might
respond.
2:
But you are not speaking for yourself here, sharing how YOU
would
respond.
You are right about how the "Indian people", whoever they
might consist of might behave:
>By being abusive to them,
by criticizing them, by fighting against them attempting to defeat them
>militarily, by refusing to recognize their
demand.
I say might, because just because it has been the policy of
successive Indian Govts., and because they were elected nominally
'democratically', the policy never was discussed nationally, like
few things in Indian democracy ever do.
The media gave scant coverage, the intelligentsia never
stepped in to voice their considered pinions. They could not care
less.
But I will ignore that for the moment. That is not the point I
am pursuing.
I asked Alpana what she would do. It is the same thing as
asking what you would do, under the circumstances. Having observed the
futility of pursuing for a quarter century an unproductive policy, what
would YOU recommend? And let us also not forget that it was in the
CONTEXT of Mamoni Goswami's initiative.
You would NOT respond to that.
When you did, respond, partly, you attributed your support to
Mamoni Goswami with a really confusing explanation. It was not credible.
Just ask anybody, even your most ardent supporters in these
debates.
*** It is NOT my approach to discussing an issue or
participating in a debate by speculating on what others might think, or
believe.
But I speak MY mind, even at the risk of being unpopular. I
explain what I think or I believe, HOPING that I would encourage others to
visit or even re-visit the issue and exercise critical analysis, and not
merely go with the flow, even though that is very convenient to do, and is
an universal phenomenon.
Why?
That is because *I* hold the membership of this forum to a
higher standard.
Hope I have been clear Rajen.
c
At 8:48 AM -0600 12/30/04, Barua25 wrote:
>*** OK,
fine Rajen. I'll go along with your conclusion, an Indian will do all of
that. It would not speak very highly of this Indian's >intellect, but
I will go along with it, just to humor
you.
>My question would be: What
would YOU do Rajen?
Chandan:
Unless you agree to this with your
heart and not just to 'humor me', it is pointless for me response what I
would do. I am the one who is asking the question. If you agree with me
what would you do.I have already seen what you are doing if you don't
agree. Only thing you have not told me why you don't agree with
me.
Rajen
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Barua25 ; Alpana B. Sarangapani ; Chan Mahanta
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:19
AM
Subject: Re: RE: Fwd: [Assam] 25 October Sentinel
report
At 12:08 AM -0600 12/30/04, Barua25 wrote:
>Which?
>Take a wild guess
A.
Chandan:
You should have known
that the correct Indian approach will be :
(1) By doing all of the
below:
By being abusive to them,
by criticizing them, by fighting against them attempting to defeat
them militarily, by refusing to recognize their
demand.
(2) And showing to do all
of the below:
By sitting down with
them, trying to reason with them, by trying to present an
alternative to their demand that both of you might be able to live
with.
So that in case of
failure, Indians can say look, we did everything
humanly possible. What more can we
do?
*** OK, fine Rajen. I'll go along with your conclusion, an
Indian will do all of that. It would not speak very highly of this
Indian's intellect, but I will go along with it, just to humor
you.
My question would be: What would YOU do Rajen? Don't
burden yourself unnecessarily with what Joe-Blow Indian would do. I
wouldn't want to put anyone in a spot by asking him or her to speak
for others.
But what would YOU do? Would that be YOUR prescription?
And if not what might that be?
Chandan: Please try to understand your friends and
enemies.
*** I realize it sounds like a desperate plea. But plea
for what? I have lot of friends, but who are my enemies? What do I
need to understand about them? I have no clue about what you are
talking of. You will need to explain.
c
RB/-
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan Mahanta
To: Alpana B.
Sarangapani
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 10:02
PM
Subject: Re: RE: Fwd: [Assam] 25 October
Sentinel report
>In any case, up until now like many of
Assam, I am not convinced that there is >a need for
sovereignty.
That is not the point Alpana. YOU are not demanding
sovereignty and are in rebellion. Does not matter whether
you agree with those who do. But if you want peace you will have
to make it with those who are in rebellion.
And how will you do that?
By being abusive to them, by criticizing them, by
fighting against them attempting to defeat them militarily, or by
refusing to recognize their demand?
Or by sitting down with them, trying to reason with
them, by trying to present an alternative to their demand that
both of you might be able to live with?
Which?
Take a wild guess A.
At 7:42 PM -0600 12/29/04, Alpana B. Sarangapani
wrote:
Okay, C'da. No
argument.
I, too, wanted to share this (pl. see below) with
you, from the report that Jugal and you put together
for this month's newsletter, where it shows what took her
to want to bring the parties
together.
"Dr. Goswami
was quite shocked by the Dhemaji bombing incident last year
and
wanted to bring the two parties to the conflict, the ULFA
and the Government of India,
together to the negotiating table in pursuit of a negotiated,
political settlement."
http://assam.org/newsletter/december2004.pdf
To some, it might seem like a pleading for
peace in desperation: For God's sake, give them whatever
and let this mindless killing of innocent people (including
of children) be stopped.
In any case, up until now like many of Assam, I
am not convinced that there is a need for sovereignty. The state
getting more money, freedom to do business, like the states
in the US, but Assam, a country? Do we want to be like Bhutan,
Nepal or Tibet? What about Bangladesh and
Myanmar, erstwhile Maan-dexh? If that happens,
historically, not just to the most popular year of Yandabu
'xondhi' (treaty), but it could go back beyond that and there
might be another chapter in history called, Maanor Oxom
aakromon, or Bangla-dexor Oxom aakromon
(invasion).
>From: Chan Mahanta
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>CC:
[email protected]
>Subject: Fwd: [Assam] 25 October
Sentinel report on Mamoni Roisom Goswami & the
ULFA.
>Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:10:40
-0600
>
>Hi A:
>
>This is not exactly
the news report that I read where she said she
>would question the sincerity of the Indian Govt.
if it did not
>respond to ULFA's interest in peace talks,
but it was from about the
>same time.
>
>I am
not about to argue with you, F Dilip Deka who spoke to
her
>personally, or anyone else about where Mamoni Goswami
stands
>vis-a-vis ULFA's cause, but the report below might
give you some
>idea. And after you read it, do share which
part of it is surreal to
>you
:-).
>
>c-da
>
>
>
>
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>>Listen to
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>>By a Staff
Reporter
>>GUWAHATI, Oct 24: Noted Assamese litterateur
and Jyanpith Award
>>winner Dr Indira Goswami,
popularly known as Mamoni Raisom Goswami,
>>who is trying to create an atmosphere for
talks with the outlawed
>>United Liberation Front of
Asom (ULFA), today said that she was
>>sympathetic to
the outfit�s causes and added that the rebel
group�s
>>sovereignty argument should be listened to
during the talks process
>>to find out a permanent
solution to the vexed insurgency problem in
>>the
State.
>>
>>Talking to The Sentinel over
telephone from New Delhi, Dr Goswami
>>said, "I am
sympathetic to the causes the ULFA have been
fighting
>>for the past 25 years. Whether they would
get a sovereign state or
>>not is a different matter,
but it should be discussed at the
>>negotiating table."
Sovereignty must be included in the agenda in
>>the
ULFA-Government talks as it was the core subject, she
stressed.
>>
>>Stating that she does not
believe in violence, Dr Goswami said that
>>it was
unfortunate that no one had come forward since the
inception
>>of the ULFA about 25 years back to initiate
the process to bring
>>the insurgent group to the
negotiating table.
>>
>>She said that she
would submit a �written appeal� before Prime
>>Minister
Dr Manmohan Singh in the first week of November to
start
>>parleys with the ULFA. "Chief Minister Tarun
Gogoi has already
>>given the go ahead and is helping
fix an appointment with the Prime
>>Minister," she
said, adding that an appointment with the
Prime
>>Minister is likely in the first week of next
month.
>>
>>She further said that the same
appeal would be submitted before
>>AICC chief Sonia
Gandhi. "I have already prepared a written
appeal.
>>Noted political scientist and professor at
the Delhi University
>>Manoranjan Mohanti helped me in preparing
the appeal," she said.
>>However, she did not divulge
the contents of the appeal, except
>>that it would
contain a plea to hear out the ULFA�s
sovereignty
>>argument.
>>
>>Following
submission of the appeal to the Prime Minister, the
ball
>>for talks with the ULFA would lie in the Union
Government�s court,
>>Dr Goswami
said.
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