Well, At least something constructive might come out of it. I do agree. We dont want to see this as a critical political forum either. Regards. SJ --- On Thu, 12/18/08, deka <[email protected]> wrote:
From: deka <[email protected]> Subject: [asom] On preservation of endangered Kamrupi To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 6:05 AM Friends, correct me if I am wrong :- It would be wise to discuss on preservation of endangered Kamrupi (both language as well as culture/tradition) as a separate thread. Rabin ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Bijoy Kumar Pait <bkp...@hpcl. co.in> Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 9:13 PM Subject: [asom] Kamrupi concern over Ahom innovation To: assamonline@ yahoogroups. com Nevertheless, when it comes to preserving a particular language, every effort must be made by the intellectuals. regards Pait ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Surajit Jaradhara <nipun...@yahoo. com> Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:13 PM Subject: [asom] Kamrupi concern over Ahom innovation To: assamonline@ yahoogroups. com I definitely do not find this is an interesting topic at all to discuss,and was trying very hard not to comment on this. But then, since this has now started to trickle down a few emotional, nostalgic sentiments so I would like to express whatever this lesser mortal/ obhajan can think of. Entire part of my childhood was centered around Guwahati and the nearby towns ( now they are towns) & memories are drawn from there. During the Durga Puja festival and other festivals, the Ojha Pali was performed with great ease by people coming from many areas surrounding Guwahati , even from Mangaldoi. They performed various ttypes of Ojha Palis ( Byas Ojha, Sukannani Ojha etc). Interested ones can procure the book on the subject written by Sh. Nabin Sharma. The performance was done in complete coherence with the local dialect. Ojha pali is also performed in some sattras in Assam as per the expressive dialect. There are also different forms of Dhulias, Nagara ( nagra) naam, tokari geet etc. which display a diverse range of performances, apart from the BIHU or other harvest related festivals. Now we know that these performances are becoming lesser and lesser or one can say not taken seriously by younger generation. Well there also exist very popular personalities performing Naam with large orchestration of taal and khol in the same areas in question, where it is feared the language is dying. According to me it is not dying. The customary performances are being taken care of seriously. The situation is not only prevailing in one area ,which is under question, but true for all over Assam for various performing arts. Ambikagiri Rai Choudhury( it may be roy choudhury as well), whenever he met people, used to say "Dekh khan ggel ai, Kiba ata kor". I did chanced upon to flip through an assamese new daily where one lady writer ( i could not remember her name) did seem to write " bisshwayanar dhamkhumiyat pothobrosto, dikbidikshonyo huwa asomiya somaj ( well the defition of asomiya- I dont want to get into this anyway) ketiya nijoke sombhalibo paribo"! There seem to be many writting in this blog site, and yes people/members spread across world might also be reading all the posts and not trying to comment. It is known. Well, all of us who has the luxury of having access to internet and having the capacity to instantly work out some cerebral action to type out few words, obviously due to the unbroilical connection to the land - do finally seem to be a school of highly brained ...whatever. .... Ambikagiri Rai Choudhury must have written today, if he came visiting " moran noha gila khane eko korba nollak, bhaonat ...oops ...Internetot bohi bhimor boson maitsi --- buli ek brihot karjya etat nijoke niyok Korise." Some one might even say " Hait, bhimor boson motato iman sohoj kam buli bhabiso neki toi". !!!! Aho Sobhasod jono, Aho guni jono, toharo mohima oparo. Bujibi lage Kiba , Bujili kiba. Obviously Ambikagiri Rai Choudhury, a revered personality like him didnot say " Amar ai onchalto gel ai.......... .." With warm regards. SJ ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Dhyanjyoti Deka <dj_i...@yahoo. com> Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:42 AM Subject: [asom] Kamrupi concern over Ahom innovation To: assamonline@ yahoogroups. com Interesting topic. I am a Kamrupi from my father's side. The surname Deka says it all. The reason for this language dying is the stigma associated with speaking it in front of people who speak the upper Assamese dialects. I do not speak it cause my mom does not speak it and deuta doesn't speak it unless he is angry!! But yeah, I was ridiculed as a Dhekeri many times in school (cause of my surname). Also I remember from my friends' stories how speaking Kamrupi could have had a catastrophic impact on your dating life. I don't know how we can get rid of this taboo on the Kamrupi language in Assam. Probably it will remain and eventually, we will all have a united dialect. Anyway, those are my two cents. Very simple thoughts. I do not understand and will probably not even try to go after the difference between Kharkhowa, Assamese, Kamrupi, Ahom etc. - Dhyan ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Dilip and Dil Deka <dilipd...@yahoo. com> Date: Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:22 PM Subject: [asom] Kamrupi concern over Ahom innovation To: assamonline@ yahoogroups. com My humble input: I am a Kamrupi by ancestry, though I am surrounded by non-Kamrupi as relatives. If the Kamrupi do not want to and know how to maintain their Kamrupi character, nothing else will help. More and more Kamrupi in Guwahati are discarding Kamrupi language in favor of other languages including Hindi and English. The real solution is in finding out why they are indulging in this practice, in stead of blaming the immigrants to Guwahati. I'll be surprised if Kamrupi is fading in Nalbari, Soygaon, Barpeta and Hazo. Please tell me if I am wrong. I know The late Prafulla Barua wrote a book in Kamrupi language. To enhance my knowledge, did any one else write in Kamrupi? Dilip Deka ____________ _________ _________ __ From: nabanjan das <naban...@yahoo. com> Date: Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 11:30 AM Subject: [asom] Kamrupi concern over Ahom innovation To: assamonline@ yahoogroups. com I disagree with Mr Manoj completely about 'likhito' assamese from being any part of Assam. 'Likhto' assamese is a standard all across Assam and literature in assamese both from lower and upper assam were equally there throughout modern history. As regards to 'kothito' assamese, lower assam and upper assam slangs are quite different but both are far away from 'likhito' assamese ( I can give tons of examples ) - lower assam slangs are further away. But, I completely agree with "we are facing now very serious problems from terrorism and demographic invasion. Being inactive and passive, we have become part of the problem, not of the solution." There is no point debating about any of our differences. We should even forget about personal fights and ego clashes completely to tackle the above menace. To ALL: Can we be completely united in this forum for being purely focused on curbing all these menace? Thanks in advance, Nabanjan ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Suman Mahanta <suman_mahanta@ yahoo.com> Date: Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 8:14 AM Subject: [asom] Kamrupi concern over Ahom innovation To: assamonline@ yahoogroups. com I agree to some extent with Manoj: It is wise to safegaurd our own culture and language. This doesn't mean you disrespect other's culture and language to safe guard your own. There can't be any excuse to that. In the process you achieve nothing. One can be highly talented and knowledgeable, I am sure most of the members in this group are highly brilliant and talented in their own field of work. But knowledge without wisdom is meaningless. There are far more burning issues of Assam than wasting time on Kamrupi and non Kamrupi mails. I am sure members of these group can provide more constructive ideas to these issues rather than allowing only a few selective member's mail to be part of this group. Get views of all section of the crowd and not restrict to only pro kamrupi mails. One individual can't hijack the whole group with his own thoughts and disallow others views to be aired in the group. I hope better sense prevails and we shall see a united group fighting against common problems rather than wasting time on trivial issues. Suman ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Manoj Das <dasm...@gmail. com> To: assamonline@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:05:52 Subject: [asom] Kamrupi concern over Ahom innovation Hi all! I have been following this discussion. It is true that Kamrupi language (kothito) is being on the brink of extinction due to the invasion of typical upper Assamish written version (likhito). Rabin is trying to express is this fact in a crude manner. His language is uncouth and aggressive, which stinks of contempt. He is after all not a very bad person, only the presentation is not that savvy. Rabin did yeoman's job indeveloping Assamese fonts, one which I used for creating the main namemast of Srimanta Sankaradeva Bhawan at New Delhi. Devil must also get its due. As Ankur said, we are facing now very serious problems from terrorism and demographic invasion. Being inactive and passive, we have become part of the problem, not of the solution. Lets unite our energies to fight stark realities. Other things will come side by side. -mkd On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:47 AM, ankur baruah <ankur...@gmail. com> wrote: Hi all, I thought we all r assamese.... ..where kamrupi n ahom came from??? I knw its better to know our hostory, but also we hv to look into aur future as well......The most important thought is right now...how to tackle terrorism... more specifically how to stop illegal migrants from neighbouring country into our nation n state... Just remmember its becoz of Mr. Lachit tht we r saved from Moghul invasion...He fought for assam, moreover his most fight were in place from where kamrupi belongs..... n kamrupis helped him in tooth n nail...thanks http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/assamonlin e/message/ 4679
