>put in notspam
You need to configure, if or not and where to store/collect which mails.
There is a complete GUI section only for this purpose.
But you are right, the MSGID signature detection is a special case. It
should make sure the mail is delivered (by whitelisting and noprocessing)
- but it should not override any other setting.
possible solution:
Well known good replies (valid MSGID Sig) are signed whitelisted and
noprocessing - this will not be changed.
I've change the logic and code a little bit and I just make some tests
with this new code.
If a mail is detected by 'valid MSGID Sig' and - at the end of the
mail-body processing the reason for the noprocessing flag is only this
detection (no other like: noprocessing, npRe, npIP ....),
the mail will be stored like any other 'whitelisted or local' mail
(NonSpamLog).
Thomas
Von: "K Post" <nntp.p...@gmail.com>
An: "ASSP development mailing list" <assp-test@lists.sourceforge.net>
Datum: 07.01.2018 21:17
Betreff: Re: [Assp-test] Some whitelisted sender mail going to
OKmail instead of notspam
I certainly understand not wanting no processing mails to go into the
corpus. YAY! Something I understand!!
What I don't follow is why we would want a message that's a reply that has
a valid MSGID Sig should be considered no processing in the first place.
I understand why this is happening, because the DoMsgIDSig is coded this
way. I just don't follow why we'd want it to be for replies that we know
are good. Bad? Kill em, score them and decide what do to, but is we know
they're good, put in notspam. Or is my logic flawed?
On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Thomas Eckardt <thomas.ecka...@thockar.com
> wrote:
Most noprocessing mails will compromize the corpus. They are norpocessing
to break all rules - why should assp learn from (may be) rule breaking
mails.
An good example are the mails in the assp mailing lists. We are talking
about bad mails, bad content, bad headers .... - if assp would learn, that
all this stuff is OK, what would happen? :):):)
Yes, it would be possible to define a logic behind a large set of
exceptional rules, to define where to store mails. And maybe there would
be two or three admins using it - but only one of them will remember after
a year, why these stupid noprocessing mails are stored wild araound.
Thomas
Von: "K Post" <nntp.p...@gmail.com>
An: "ASSP development mailing list" <
assp-test@lists.sourceforge.net>
Datum: 07.01.2018 19:17
Betreff: Re: [Assp-test] Some whitelisted sender mail going to
OKmail instead of notspam
did a little basic testing
New email from gmail from a whitelisted sender goes to notspam
If a whitelisted gmail user replies to one of my emails, it goes to
okmail, and shows info: found valid MSGID signature in [In-Reply-To:] -
accept mail
And this makes sense now. It's right in the DoMsgIDSig
....If activated and a bounced mail from null sender or postmaster
contains no valid signature the configured action is taken.
If activated and any other mail contains a valid signature (eg. because it
is an answer/reply to a tagged mail), this mail will be flagged as
noprocessing and whitelisted !
So my question is why would we want this behavior? If I send a message
and someone replies, why wouldn't we want to add replies to notspam so
their content contributes to the corpus? I really like the rest of what
DoMsgIDsig does in terms of scoring negatively, but why noprocess replies
/ put to okmail from whitelisted people?
On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:47 PM, K Post <nntp.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been having degraded bayesian and HMM results, lots of false
positives recently, so I'm going through some mail manually in the corpus
to do some bulk retraining. I do this periodically and find that it
helps.
One thing I noticed is some mail in OkMail that comes from a whitelisted @
gmail.com address. I can't figure out why it's in OkMail and not
notspam.
Is this log line saying that the message became no processing because of a
MSGID signature?? I don't understand-
Jan-07-18 12:00:51 msg64450-01103 [Noprocessing] 209.85.215.50 <
whitelistedgoog...@gmail.com> to: myu...@ourcharity.org info: found valid
MSGID signature in [References:] - accept mail
Everything else in the log, I would expect from a google SMTP server,
no penalty box, no delaying, no blocking
Jan-07-18 12:00:49 209.85.215.50 info: got STARTTLS request from
209.85.215.50
Jan-07-18 12:00:50 msg64450-01103 209.85.215.50 <
whitelistedgoog...@gmail.com> info: found message size announcement: 15.02
kByte
Jan-07-18 12:00:50 msg64450-01103 209.85.215.50 <
whitelistedgoog...@gmail.com> IP 209.85.215.50 matches noPB - with
209.85.128.0/17 FROMSPF: _netblocks.google.com
Jan-07-18 12:00:50 msg64450-01103 209.85.215.50 <
whitelistedgoog...@gmail.com> IP 209.85.215.50 matches noPBwhite - with
209.85.128.0/17 FROMSPF: _netblocks.google.com
Jan-07-18 12:00:50 msg64450-01103 209.85.215.50 <
whitelistedgoog...@gmail.com> IP 209.85.215.50 matches noDelay - with
209.85.128.0/17 FROMSPF: _netblocks.google.com
Jan-07-18 12:00:50 msg64450-01103 209.85.215.50 <
whitelistedgoog...@gmail.com> IP 209.85.215.50 matches noBlockingIPs -
with 209.85.128.0/17 FROMSPF: _netblocks.google.com
Jan-07-18 12:00:51 msg64450-01103 209.85.215.50 <
whitelistedgoog...@gmail.com> to: myu...@ourcharity.org Whitelisted sender
address: whitelistedgoog...@gmail.com for recipient myu...@ourcharity.org
Jan-07-18 12:00:51 msg64450-01103 [Noprocessing] 209.85.215.50 <
whitelistedgoog...@gmail.com> to: myu...@ourcharity.org info: found valid
MSGID signature in [References:] - accept mail
Jan-07-18 12:00:51 msg64450-01103 209.85.215.50 <
whitelistedgoog...@gmail.com> to: myu...@ourcharity.org DKIM-Signature
found
Jan-07-18 12:00:51 msg64450-01103 209.85.215.50 <
whitelistedgoog...@gmail.com> to: myu...@ourcharity.org IP 209.85.215.50
matches noBlockingIPs - with 209.85.128.0/17 FROMSPF: _
netblocks.google.com
Jan-07-18 12:00:52 msg64450-01103 209.85.215.50 <
whitelistedgoog...@gmail.com> to: myu...@ourcharity.org [Plugin] calling
plugin ASSP_AFC
Jan-07-18 12:00:52 msg64450-01103 209.85.215.50 <
whitelistedgoog...@gmail.com> to: myu...@ourcharity.org message proxied
without processing (no bad attachments)
Jan-07-18 12:00:52 msg64450-01103 [MessageOK] 209.85.215.50 <
whitelistedgoog...@gmail.com> to: myu...@ourcharity.org message ok -
(noprocessing and whitelisted - found valid Message-ID signature) - [re
subject] -> messages/okmail/re_subject--1134846.txt
Jan-07-18 12:00:53 msg64450-01103 209.85.215.50 <
whitelistedgoog...@gmail.com> to: myu...@ourcharity.org finished message -
received DATA size: 15.18 kByte - sent DATA size: 15.85 kByte
Jan-07-18 12:00:53 msg64450-01103 209.85.215.50 <
whitelistedgoog...@gmail.com> to: myu...@ourcharity.org disconnected:
session:3F7AE040 209.85.215.50 - processing time 4 seconds
I did an analyze and don't see anything that suggests it would be no
processing:
• On Global Whitelist: 'whitelistedgoog...@gmail.com'
• DKIM-check returned OK body altered - header passed - suspicious-OK
• SPF-check returned OK for 209.85.215.50 -> whitelistedgoog...@gmail.com,
mail-lf0-f50.google.com
• Received-SPF: pass (gmail.com ... _spf.google.com: Sender is authorized
to use 'whitelistedgoog...@gmail.com' in 'mfrom' identity (mechanism
'include:_netblocks.google.com' matched)) receiver=assp.ourcharity.org;
identity=mailfrom; envelope-from="whitelistedgoog...@gmail.com"; helo=
mail-lf0-f50.google.com; client-ip=209.85.215.50
• URIBL check: 'OK'
• Known Good HELO: 'mail-lf0-f50.google.com'
• HELO Blacklist Ignore: 'mail-lf0-f50.google.com'
• Valid Format of HELO: 'mail-lf0-f50.google.com'
• IP in Helo check: 'OK'
• AUTH would be disabled
• IP 209.85.215.50 is in noPB IPs (209.85.128.0/17 FROMSPF: _
netblocks.google.com)
• RBLCheck returned OK for 209.85.215.50:
• domain gmail.com (in Mail From: , From) has a valid MX record:
gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com
• domainMX gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com has a valid A record: 173.194.175.27
• 209.85.215.50 PTR record via DNS: status=PTR OK -
mail-lf0-f50.google.com
• 209.85.215.50 SenderBase: status=not classified, data=[CN=US, ORG=DOT
INTERNET, DOM=google.com, BLS=, HNM=Y, CIDR=17, HN=mail-lf0-f50]
• IP 209.85.215.50 is in noDelay (209.85.128.0/17 FROMSPF: _
netblocks.google.com)
• IP 209.85.215.50 is in noBlockingIPs (209.85.128.0/17 FROMSPF: _
netblocks.google.com)
As always, any guidance would be appreciated.
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