Re: [Asterisk-biz] Criminal Liability (I know there areattorneyson this list)

[Paul]

I haven't had time to keep up with the *real* news but I seem to 
remember hearing things about some of these countries. If buying such 
products is a way of subsidizing child abuse and near-slavery, where can 
I shop? However, I don't want to help starve children by suspending 
trade with these countries. If we deliver food and medicine to their 
ports, who actually gets it? I think that the majority of people here in 
the US disagree with what I believe to be the best approach: Welcome 
those people here as refugees.

Let me also say that if the sexual exploitation of minors in the 
Phillipines is actually legal, we should grant refugee status to their 
people. If it is not legal, I hope they start demanding the extradition 
of anyone in the US who knowingly helps those criminals. It's rather 
expensive to prosecute and imprison them here. These third world 
countries can house them in their jails and prisons for far less. We can 
easily give them enough goods and money in the form of foreign aid to 
more than cover the costs.

Dean Collins wrote:
Hmmm so if I looked in your wardrobe you wouldn't have any nike or other
3rd world manufactured clothing or footwear.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-biz-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh McAllister
Sent: Saturday, 14 May 2005 4:30 PM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion; fruit f*cker
2000
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-biz] Criminal Liability (I know there
areattorneyson this list)
This is surely getting off topic, but really... you have to "wonder"
about the ethics?! Your talking about total perversion and sexual
exploitation of children. As for legalities... I don't know... but I
wouldn't be sure that you're covered simply because the girls are out
   

of
 

country. I DO know that as a US citizen you CAN be charged criminally
   

in
 

the US for having sex with underage girls outside of the US. EVEN if
they are age of consent in the country you visit. And clearly you
   

can't
 

play the "ignorance" card as you've just documented prior knowledge.
   

I'd
 

run far away from this deal if I were you. Even if you cleared from a
legal standpoint, how the hell could you sleep at night?!?!
<shaking my head>
Josh McAllister
   

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-biz-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Welter
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:24 PM
To: fruit f*cker 2000; Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk
Discussion
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-biz] Criminal Liability (I know there are
attorneyson this list)
fruit f*cker 2000 wrote:
     

If you're going to do it in the Philippines, be careful. The
government is doing a crackdown on exploitation of minors. Even if
       

you
   

have "the girls" consent.
I've seen TV news reports of actual raids. Equipment seized &
operators arrested. Minors are sent to the social welfare
       

department
 

while the operator, if a foreigner, will be charged and sent back
home.
       

I never implied that I was doing or going to do anything.  I've had
inquiries, and I'm wondering about the ethics and legalities of what
I've been asked to do.  That's all.
My question is, could I be criminally liable by providing service to
     

an
   

offshore operation if I don't know the nature of the client's
     

business.
   

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