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> 1. Re: Asterisk Service Provider System (with GUI)
> (Christopher Bergstr?m)
> 2. Re: Asterisk GUI (trixter aka Bret McDanel)
> 3. Re: Asterisk GUI (Zoa)
> 4. European VoIP providers (Matt Riddell (IT))
> 5. Re: European VoIP providers (trixter aka Bret McDanel)
> 6. Re: European VoIP providers (Christopher Bergstr?m)
> 7. Re: European VoIP providers (trixter aka Bret McDanel)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 04:09:20 +0200
>From: Christopher Bergstr?m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk Service Provider System (with
> GUI)
>To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
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>A few people posted interest in some "Free" or OSS software because of
>the nice screenshot. I'm highly interested in working with some gurus,
>testers and developers in building an enterprise grade product that is
>GPL or similar licensed..
>
>Based on what I've been reading for keeping things to a minimum on a
>server..
>
>Apache is bloated for a simple job such as a control panel. Lighttpd
>aka lighty might be worth looking into.. It also has the ability to just
>forward the fast-cgi requests to another backend server which can do all
>the processing.. Thus kinda works around and allowing for a mix of both
>worlds.
>
>Anyhow, to the point..
>A port of it to Asterisk-java to .Net/Mono (.Net on linux) has a base
>for the AGI and other things which are needed..
>
>(http://www.gotdotnet.com/codegallery/news/viewnews.aspx?id=7948963b-7a3b-4303-9118-da800f4f84c3)
>SF site minimal content (http://asterisk-dotnet.sourceforge.net/)
>
>If I get a good response I'm interested in really trying to expand the
>functionality of this. Those interested in supporting the software on
>an enterprise level would have leads forwarded to them as well..
>
>Feedback?
>
>C.
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:39:48 -0800
>From: trixter aka Bret McDanel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk GUI
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>On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 02:05 +0200, Zoa wrote:
> > The resources taken up by apache or the mysql are as good as non
> > existant (especially as it will be idling most of the time), as long as
> > you don't do big queries (e.g. a search for a certain CDR). And if you
> > do big queries it doesn't matter if there is 1 call or 100 calls going
> > on. (they will aaaall gooo doooown toooogether....:-).
> >
>
>Generally I agree that if you arent really using the software then that
>software will have no effect, however that depends on how its used,
>which is why I qualified my statements the way I did. I for example use
>mysql to hold about 500k routes which is consulted for every call made.
>I would not recommend someone running that on the same system as
>asterisk unless its a really low volume server. That query isnt that
>unfriendly one or two at a time, but when you start calling stuff from
>all over it can become unfriendly in quantity. I have seen other stuff
>that is far worse.
>
>
> > Yes, apache might crash and might take up all resources. (But how often
> > did you see that happen on a server with a configuration tool that is
> > used once, and then left alone most of the time ?)
> >
>
>That also assumes that apache doesnt have security problems, which isnt
>a guarantee given that there have been problems with apache itself,
>addon modules commonly shipped, or with scripts (like php) that are
>called. Having it there can lead to compromising situations, however if
>you filter it so only your admin group of ips can connect you have kept
>the kids away, although a lot of firewalls can be tricked into letting
>traffic through they otherwise are told to reject. If you run something
>on a production server that is exposed to the internet it should be kept
>up with security patches not just firewall and forget.
>
>--
>Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel
>UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402
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>Message: 3
>Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:12:48 +0200
>From: Zoa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk GUI
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>Hehe, its normal to hate the operator panel :) I've never used it myself
>either. It has some nasty bugs, and is still the first version ever
>released. (and we didnt spend a minute on it since we released it).
>
>When we have some time we will make it the way it should be. (for now
>all resources go to other projects soon to be announced :)
>
>Zoa
>
>Saul Diaz wrote:
>
> > Ok. I never expect that my small screenshot will cause this big fuzz.
> >
> > Let me said first that we love the Thirdlane and the Switchvox GUI.
> >
> > The idea of our manager was take out the web server from the asterisk
> > from the beginning, we replace that with an asterisk manage proxy
> > (daemon), but we also needs that for listening the recordings (but we
> > can use a mini httpd for this).
> >
> > Astlinux use Astmanproxy for example and works fine with Pbxware. We
> > try our manager with Astlinux and Astmanproxy and works fine. We dont
> > think that we are yet at the same level than the thirdlane and the
> > switchvox in configuration matters but for monitoring definitely we
> > are well prepare for any battle We can monitor the status of a phone
> > and we known in realtime when the phone have a problem, get reset, or
> > simply lost the registration, we can see the activity of an asterisk
> > server without even go to the asterisk, and like switchbox we can
> > monitor the cpu utilization and soon memory, and even network
> > utilization. Making my product better for a call center administration
> > than a pbx or a calling card solution, we are also almost 100%
> > compatible with astcc.
> >
> > Zoa by the way we also love your astertest, keep the good work in
> > asteriskguru, but sorry we hate your operator panel J.
> >
> > We test our manager in a 300 seat with a predictive dialer (no
> > asterisk) running with about 250 - 300 simultaneous calls.
> >
> > For the asterisk 1.2.X you don't need connection to the db server. You
> > can do a few things that allow you to avoid that, b/c after all,
> > asterisk is already connected to the db server if u are using
> > real-time. We are addressing that, for the moment we work with
> > Mysql-Realtime.
> >
> > Every of then have his pro and his cons, in our system as soon I set
> > the realtime. I dont need to do anything b/c the rest is done by the
> > manager, making the life very easy for our customers.
> >
> > The majority of this things are very hard to do in a web admin not
> > matter how friendly the admin is
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Saul
> >
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>Message: 4
>Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:20:11 +0100
>From: "Matt Riddell (IT)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [asterisk-biz] European VoIP providers
>To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
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>Christopher Bergström wrote:
> > Since everyone is reading this topic may I steal the limelight..
> >
> > For my request for European VoIP providers.. I only had three offers..
> >
> > Two were interesting, but I can't imagine this should be it?? I'm not
> > looking for bottom bargain prices.. I just want latency to a sip gateway
> > under 100ms and that isn't backhauling across the pond via IP.. PSTN
> > will perform better.. I also need a way to transverse being double nated
> > at times.. (proxy and not STUN)
> >
> > Anyone else that can do this?
>
>Hi,
>
>Drop us a line off list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and we'll see what we can do.
>
>:)
>
>And to people in the following countries, happy * day to you:
>
>Duruthu Full Moon Poya Day Sri Lanka
>New Year (Orthodox) Bosnia-Herzegovina
>Old New Year's Day Macedonia
>Ratification Day United States of America
>Serbian Orthodox New Year Yugoslavia
>Maghi Sikhism
>
>(http://www.earthcalendar.net/_php/lookup.php?mode=date&m=01&d=14&y=2006)
>
>--
>Cheers,
>
>Matt Riddell
>_______________________________________________
>
>http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html)
>http://freevoip.gedameurope.com (Free Asterisk Voip Community)
>http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss)
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 05:43:32 -0800
>From: trixter aka Bret McDanel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] European VoIP providers
>To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
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>On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 14:20 +0100, Matt Riddell (IT) wrote:
> > And to people in the following countries, happy * day to you:
> >
> > Duruthu Full Moon Poya Day Sri Lanka
> > New Year (Orthodox) Bosnia-Herzegovina
> > Old New Year's Day Macedonia
> > Ratification Day United States of America
> > Serbian Orthodox New Year Yugoslavia
> > Maghi Sikhism
> >
> > (http://www.earthcalendar.net/_php/lookup.php?mode=date&m=01&d=14&y=2006)
> >
>
>In keeping with the spirit of the holidays that was recently shown, what
>madness is this? we dont support [insert something here just to make a
>personal attack against someone without cause]...
>
>:)
>
>--
>Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel
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>Message: 6
>Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:26:17 +0200
>From: Christopher Bergstr?m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] European VoIP providers
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>trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 14:20 +0100, Matt Riddell (IT) wrote:
> >
> >
> >>And to people in the following countries, happy * day to you:
> >>
> >>Duruthu Full Moon Poya Day Sri Lanka
> >>New Year (Orthodox) Bosnia-Herzegovina
> >>Old New Year's Day Macedonia
> >>Ratification Day United States of America
> >>Serbian Orthodox New Year Yugoslavia
> >>Maghi Sikhism
> >>
> >>(http://www.earthcalendar.net/_php/lookup.php?mode=date&m=01&d=14&y=2006)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >In keeping with the spirit of the holidays that was recently shown, what
> >madness is this? we dont support [insert something here just to make a
> >personal attack against someone without cause]...
> >
> >:)
> >
> >
>You're trying to be somewhat politically correct.. This takes away from
>the fun of it..
>
>btw.. I'm highly considering forking this list and starting a moderated
>* biz list elsewhere.. I'll keep everyone posted/spammed of my
>intentions or contact me offlist with ideas/feedback.
>
>C.
>
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>Message: 7
>Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:01:26 -0800
>From: trixter aka Bret McDanel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] European VoIP providers
>To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
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>On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 16:26 +0200, Christopher Bergström wrote:
> > You're trying to be somewhat politically correct.. This takes away from
> > the fun of it..
> >
>I forgot my book of snappy insults :) Plus sending an email with the
>intent to annoy is now illegal in america (it was a rider tacked onto a
>bill no one could really vote against - unclear if it will be enforced,
>but a felony for being anoying? That is a bit much and possibly
>unconstitutional if not at least vague, there is no legal definition of
>'anoying').
>
>
>
> > btw.. I'm highly considering forking this list and starting a moderated
> > * biz list elsewhere.. I'll keep everyone posted/spammed of my
> > intentions or contact me offlist with ideas/feedback.
> >
>
>good luck with that, dunno how well forked lists work, people have tried
>for other reasons and those have never worked out well (specifically
>with the asterisk community). And if you cause either too high of a
>delay or to ostrict of a moderation filter it may not be liked by enough
>people and that in itself causes problems.
>
>Also a note, if you plan on either having the list in the US or serving
>US people with the list research um ??? v Prodigy Networks sometime in
>the late 80s/very very early 90s. There is another case, I want to say
>it involved Netcom with the inverse results, but dont remember this was
>a case I studied back in 1992-1994 sometime when I was first starting to
>really study law.
>
>Prodigy had censored their lists, and then stopped. 3 months later
>while uncensored some trade secrets were posted. Prodigy was found not
>guilty because they no longer moderated. The courts decided that if you
>moderate you implicitly approve everything that gets through and you
>open yourself to a certain level of liability. There was an inverse
>case that proved that part of it.
>
>The Church of Scientology v Netcom was a similar but not quite identical
>case where someone posted trade secrets (their brain washing techniques
>and such - at least CoS claimed that info was trade secret protected).
>Netcom refused to reveal the users true identity for the usenet posting
>and cancel that users account so they were found guilty (I think its an
>obscure ruling but meh).
>
>
>moderated lists can get you into trouble if you arent really careful :/
>At least in america - and the laws here generally apply to a list or
>service if there is one customer from here that is a subscriber.
>
>--
>Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel
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