Good insight.
Can you please clarify what you mean by 1:7 ratio?
Thanks.
On 7/5/06, Stephen Wingfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Good insight.
Can you please clarify what you mean by 1:7 ratio?
With a ratio of 1:7 you can typically support 800+ users on the same server
for under 4000 USD investment (or 5 USD per customer for the hardware).
Good insight.
Can you please clarify what you mean by 1:7 ratio?
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From: "Curt Shaffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'"
< [email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 12:50 PM
Subject: RE: [asterisk-biz] RE: Bottom end of the market for an Asterisk PBX
?
>I would have to agree here as well. Just because you can install * on a
>good
> cheap system does not mean that you want to. I really think if Asterisk is
> going to be a competitor in the VoIP market we really need to make sure it
> shines. We can not just be "throwing" together a system that will get the
> job done. We need to plan these installs, give good quality phones and
> provide redundancy if possible. When was the last time the company's
> POTS/PRI lines went down? When they pick up the phone they expect, and
> rightfully so, for it to work. I all too often hear people getting by with
> just the essentials and I would bet that there are a lot of unhappy
> customers out there with it. I know of a few personally where the company
> now has a bad taste in their mouth about VoIP because some "Asterisk Guru"
> came in and saved them thousands on their phone system. What they were
> left
> with was choppy quality because of lack of QoS and horrible echo. And IP
> termination, which was supposed to save them money, was sub par and down a
> lot. Lack of needed configuration and bad choice of providers? Probaby,
> but
> they ditched the system and dubbed VoIP as a technology that is not ready
> for prime time. This really gets me going....arg!
>
>>From what I have seen and been selling is features. Even to small
> businesses. Yes you will get a system that is a little cheaper than Avaya,
> Cisco or 3Com, although this is getting not to be the case with items such
> as Avaya's new phone that acts like a small PBX. Yes you MAY be able to
> save
> some money on long distance with LCR. But, this IVR will allow you to
> field
> phone calls via the phone system and provide customers with valuable
> information without a person spending time on the phone with them. This
> find
> me follow me will make sure someone can always reach you. This
> conferencing
> will save you on expensive bridges and hosted solutions. This XML app on
> your phone will allow your employees to log into your time card app. This
> system will integrate your voicemail and email into the same inbox. This
> is
> all about convergence! Anyone can beat the cost of a traditional PBX these
> days, yes even Cisco with their new Call Manager Express! You need to make
> the customer feel, and you won't be lying, that they need a full system
> and
> to invest in this. Show them the real money savings! Even a high end
> Asterisk system is cheaper then most of the others. I'll get off my soap
> box for now. I just hate when people make probably the least important
> things about Asterisk the most important and vis a vis.
>
> Someone mentioned a model like hosting. I think if your customers are
> really
> concerned about pricing of the system, despite your good sales tactics,
> then
> this may be the best idea. At that point you can provide the redundancy
> they
> need and maintain everything on your end. The only problem I see here is
> you
> want to make absolutely sure that you are not the cause of failure. This
> would mean clustering, this would mean battery backup with generator back
> up
> on that. This would be a reliable high speed connection for both you and
> them, think about what the phone company does to make sure you have dial
> tone even when the power is out! What about E911! You don't want to be
> responsible for a person dying(like happened near here in Maryland,USA).
> But
> it could be done. I do believe with the architecture that should be built
> on
> this model, it would take some time to get your return on investment but
> if
> this is where most of your clients would like to be then it may be worth
> it.
>
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of C F
> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 11:34 PM
> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] RE: Bottom end of the market for an Asterisk
> PBX
> ?
>
> Yeah sure think again. There is no way that you can sell a system with
> 5 phones for $1500.00 just the phones (at around $160 per phone for a
> decent business phone) will cost you $800.00.
> You think ppl buy these things like they buy bread? think again.
>
> On 7/3/06, Nikolai Manek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> You want to charge $5000 for a small biz Asterisk server? Yes, you
>> definitely need to rethink your strategy. I would rather think that $1500
> is
>> the absolute maximum. For very small companies (5-15) you can put a
> Asterisk
>> on a Linksys router with Linux. I think there are some projects you can
>> Google up who are doing it. And then your customers will figure out very
>> quick that they can get your PBX for a couple hundred bucks including
>> service from someone. Why don't you set up some Astersik servers yourself
>> and offer hosted Asterisk? This way you can charge a monthly fee, your
>> customers don't have the headache of running their own server and you
>> will
>> make over time your $5000 without overcharging people (which is IMHO not
> the
>> way to do business). You might want to google around and see what other
>> people are charging. But my educated guess would be that a small business
> is
>> very much willing to pay let's say $20 per seat per month and have their
>> service hosted with you. On top you are selling the minutes at approx.
>> 55%
>> margin in the UK for international calls and probably 70% for domestic
>> calls. Then you can make money and your customers are very happy too. You
>> can bill the service with our new Asterisk billing solution (it's free)
>> (www.remwave.com) which will be released by the end of the week or any
> other
>> billing platform. I am also thinking that a hosted solution is better for
>> your business bottom line since it will enable you to have a consistent
>> revenue stream.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Nikolai Manek
>> http://www.remwave.com
>>
>>
>> On 7/3/06 6:30 PM, " [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Bottom end of the market for an Asterisk PBX ?
>>
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