My intent here was just to give and example of high quality low cost 
KSU's still on the market. Low cost because they are manufactured by 
giants like LG then re-branded by companies like Vodavi, there is no 
magic fairly dust as mentioned . Lets face it Asterisk does not work for 
everyone and you should still have a fall back ksu in your inventory to 
sell to a potential client instead of losing that business to a competitor.

Jared Geiger wrote:
> Just too throw another wrench in the mix. Aastra makes most of 
> Nortel's IP phones. They just load a UNISTEM protocal firmware on the 
> phone instead of SIP.
>
> On 10/10/07, * Tim Booth* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
>     well shadowym, your ignorance really blows me away..Ever heard of
>     Goggle. Like a I said LG manufactures telecom equipment for many
>     systems, Vodavi and Nortel are a couple of them. Hey you learned
>     something new today!
>
>     http://www.lg-nortel.com/
>
>     shadowym wrote:
>     > So LG makes Nortel phones, Nortel network core products and
>     Nortel PBX's and
>     > therefore Vodavi=LG=Nortel???
>     >
>     > Maybe you should take your own advice and do more research
>     before flying off
>     > the handle because someone disagrees with you.
>     >
>     > So I guess we can all scratch off visioncom.us
>     <http://visioncom.us> as a professional company.
>     > "Dumb ass"?  Classy argument!
>     >
>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > From: Tim Booth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>     <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
>     > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 6:00 AM
>     > To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
>     > Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] KSU Killers??
>     >
>     > Do some homework their dumb ass before you start bashing me for my
>     > comments. Like I said I sell both Asterisk and key systems, and
>     yes I
>     > have Vodavi systems installed that have not been touched for over 5
>     > years with the exception of program changes. Yes, Asterisk is
>     nice but
>     > certainly does not have the rock solid reliability of most key
>     systems.
>     > As far as price it's called the power of manufacturing. LG
>     manufactures
>     > the entire Vodavi line, they also make products for several
>     other major
>     > manufactures.
>     > The next time you pick up a Nortel product look at the label,
>     its says
>     > LG/Nortel on it for a reason. Again do some home work before you
>     open
>     > you mouth and more stupid comments flows to your keyboard.
>     >
>     > shadowym wrote:
>     >
>     >> So in those 30 years have they managed to find magic fair dust
>     that allows
>     >> them to make a phone system for next to nothing equivalent in
>     quality to
>     >> Asterisk/Cisco etc.?
>     >>
>     >> Perhaps the phrase "you get what you pay for" does not apply to
>     them and
>     >> their magical ways?
>     >>
>     >> -----Original Message-----
>     >> From: Tim Booth [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>     <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
>     >> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:08 PM
>     >> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
>     >> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] KSU Killers??
>     >>
>     >> oooh...what was I thinking, Vodavi has only been around for 30
>     years.
>     >>
>     >> shadowym wrote:
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>> At $300 I'm sure you will get exactly what you pay for.  Let
>     me re-phrase
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >> my
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>> subject to "Good quality KSU killer"
>     >>>
>     >>> -----Original Message-----
>     >>> From: Tim Booth [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>     <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
>     >>> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 2:38 PM
>     >>> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
>     >>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] KSU Killers??
>     >>>
>     >>> Its not a KSU killer in the small end market. A good example
>     is the
>     >>> Vodavi STSe key system, basic KSU is 4 CO lines with CID
>     daughter board
>     >>> + 2 SLT ports and 8 Digital extensions for $298 bucks. In skin
>     Voice
>     >>> mail $599 and 24 button digital speaker phones $115 each.
>     >>> Do the math it's less than an Asterisk server, just doesn't
>     have all the
>     >>> other bells and whistles. Most small business don't use those
>     other
>     >>> bells and whistles anyway.
>     >>> I sell both Asterisk solutions and key system, the key systems
>     are not
>     >>> going are not going away anytime soon.
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> shadowym wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>> That sort of comment is totally uncalled for IMHO!  It was
>     obviously
>     >>>>
>     > done
>     >
>     >>>> out of emotion.  Otherwise you would present some sort of
>     valid argument
>     >>>> such as links/white papers/case studies of successful
>     implementations.
>     >>>>
>     > I
>     >
>     >>>> would like to see evidence of just as much as anyone but my
>     initial
>     >>>> excitement over it has waned.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> -----Original Message-----
>     >>>> From: Henry L.Coleman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>     <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
>     >>>> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:27 AM
>     >>>> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
>     >>>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] KSU Killers??
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Shadowym...You must have led a sheltered life.
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
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