On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 16:18 -0700, Nitzan Kon wrote: > Yep. True. > > So the issue is not needing more regulation - but just how to be able to > enforce existing regulation. Not something that more regulation by itself > will resolve! >
agree not just on this issue but many many others. Laws only make more criminals, enforcement of existing laws is what actually has an impact on crime, and as long as criminals know that laws are not properly enforced they will continue to do all the things they used to (some will do other things that are enforced anyway). Take speeding, its often not enforced yet its illegal, and how many speed knowing that they wont get a ticket? > Of course for all these cases, there WILL be records allowing law enforcement > officials (***who know what they're doing***) to trace back the calls. Even > if you spoof ANI/CID - your call has to come from somewhere. > well there may be records, but often and unfortunately they include only the false data :( > Let's take your 3AM campaign suggestion for example: the way the call will go > is: > > Culprit -> VoIP carrier who lets set CID/ANI -> ILEC or CLEC -> terminated to > PSTN. > > Tracing it back should not be a problem if you have the proper court orders, > just find out with the terminating party which ILEC/CLEC they got the call > from, then find out with the ILEC/CLEC which VoIP carrier they got the call > from - and then finally get the customer records from the VoIP carrier. > tracing it back requires that the information for the call be recorded, some of which usually isnt in a way that makes it to the police. Often the ani is logged and that is about it. Yes if they log the circuit it comes in on, all of the other information, tracing back could be a lot easier, but um yeah for some reason the phone companies generally dont log all that data. This was the situation I ran into when both the FCC and a state prosecutor on separate occasions and for separate customers wanted information from me. Both instances it was over calls placed to the PSTN, a service I never offered, but because the phone number went to me they wrongfully assumed that the only way the calls could have been placed was through my servers. The only people that tried to argue that point (the govt accepted that was the case without question) were other phone companies who couldnt fathom that calls were placed by some other provider somewhere. this doesnt give me a lot of faith in the call being properly traced, and since we do not yet live in a police state, the government cant just go in and take over the telephone company to trace it. So even if there is a law enforcement agent that knows what they are doing, they would still have to deal with the phone company that may not. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel Belfast +44 28 9099 6461 US +1 516 687 5200 http://www.trxtel.com the phone company that pays you! _______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
