Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: > On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 19:42 -0500, Alex Balashov wrote: >> The problem is, I don't want to become an "international businessman" - >> I have neither the resources nor the business case nor the capital for >> it. This UK deal is most likely a one-off; I'm not planning on hiring >> others in the UK per se, nor am I expecting to hire many others in >> non-US countries. >> > oh in that case there are exceptions for seasonal and low income workers > (quarterly and annual caps for that). Depending on how much it is that > could make it all ok to pay from the US side, and generally on them to > remit to the UK authorities since you cant do the PAYE stuff. > > The problem is that its like $600/year or $200/quarter or something > silly like that.
Yeah, that's not going to work. This is the UK we're talking about, and a full-time salaried position; the plan wasn't to pay him beans. I do have strong objections to paying taxes on non-cash income, but I somehow doubt he's going to take payment in beers. :-) So, I guess I won't be hiring my UK guy: 1. He is perfectly qualified for a fabulous range of UK IT jobs; what on Earth could possibly motivate him to register and form a company to operate out of, or deal with the complexities of remanding taxes himself to UK authorities? There is no incentive. I'm offering to pay him decently by market standards, but not _that_ degree of recently. 2. I have neither the money nor the time to waste setting up a UK company for the purpose of hiring a single employee, and dealing with the attendant regulatory and taxation issues. 3. Likewise for various off-shore/tax-haven holding options. Even setting aside the fact that it can be costly and, as Nitzan pointed out, is shady and a red flag for audits and tax evasion investigations, above all else I simply don't have time to deal with this crap. No incentive. No business case. 4. As mentioned in another post, staffing / contract firms will price him way out of my range. Absolutely not. ... It seems like the only option possibly worth investigating is getting an established company in the UK to employ him for the exclusive purpose of contracting him out to me, even though he has no other business utility whatsoever and may in fact not have any conceptual relation to their business activity. Or, perhaps there is an alternative contract firm over there that really does just charge overhead for this nonsense. If anyone wants to give any pointers on finding one, I'm all ears. Hell, if you operate in the UK and want to employ and resell this guy to me at a small margin, my inbox would love to hear from you. <?xml version="1.0"> <box type="soap" attrib="rant" mood="enraged"> The problem is that the conventional options are the same kinds of recruiter/IT staffing/project resource parasites that subsist everywhere else, and they somehow think they're entitled to a 100-300% hourly margin just for providing a warm body to me. I didn't even ask them to go find him; I recruited him myself. That's absolutely not acceptable, and it wouldn't be acceptable even if they did recruit him themselves, because in that case, a few thousand dollars' commission is the most they could possibly be entitled to, not a yearly recurring gross margin equal to or greater than the guy's salary, which is what these assclowns all want. I will never do business with "body shops." Contrary to their allegations that they provide any sort of "project management" or otherwise "intelligent" staffing solutions, they are envelopssolely in the business of reselling individual employees. I can see how that might be a service worth paying a commission for if the did it well (which they don't), but that's not the model under which most of them are operating anymore. Instead, they want to pay a guy $35/hr and bill him out to me at $80-$150/hr, and, actually, if they could convince me to darken my skies with even more people. They don't provide enough value to warrant a 10% margin, let alone a 200% one. I sincerely hope a huge plague of locusts swarms down and destroys all these dipshits biblical prophecy style. I don't understand why corporate America continues to allow their business models to be sustainable; why on earth would someone pay 200-300% more for nothing? Yes, I understand there's an opportunity benefit they have to pay a premium for in that those employees are not permanent but theoretically provided to staff particular ongoing "projects," nor are paid benefits, etc, etc., but that can't possibly be worth paying $50/hr on top of every $40/hr someone makes. And don't even get me started on Infosys, Wipro, Tata, Tech Mahindra, etc. </box> -- Alex -- Alex Balashov Evariste Systems Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel : (+1) (678) 954-0670 Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671 Mobile : (+1) (678) 237-1775 _______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
