I said essentially the same thing in a few lines and get no credit..... You Digium top poster!
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Bryan M. Johns <[email protected]> wrote: > Well put, Alex. Thank you for taking the time to write it. > > Carry on. ;-) > > Bryan M. Johns > Digium, Inc. | Community Director > 445 Jan Davis Drive NW - Huntsville, AL 35806 - USA > direct: +1 256-428-6007 > Check us out at : www.asterisk.org or www.digium.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Balashov" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2010 2:56:19 PM > Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] DIDX Query > > On 11/04/2010 02:34 PM, Jorge Bellas wrote: > >> Make that +2. I've stopped using this list as a business tool. Too many >> folks are shredded here for sport. It's become a spectacle. Hopefully, it >> can recover and become useful once again. >> >> I'm half expecting someone to respond and criticize my grammar... > > It's not so bad. > > Most reasonable people here agree -- even if they don't express these > sentiments publicly for a variety of reasons -- that the folks being > "shredded" have done something to deserve it. I'm judging from the > plethora of private e-mail I receive saying, "I completely agree with > your flame here, but I can't rock the boat with my employer by saying > so myself." > > A "-biz" list should, as well as discouraging people from saying > things to each other that they wouldn't say in real life on the one > hand, also on the other hand acknowledge the blunt facts of > "business," as it were. Business has vicissitudes: there are very > positive as well as intensely negative experiences, perceptions, > strategies, technologies, etc. Business is a profoundly interpersonal > thing; it directly concerns one's livelihood, directly impacts one's > material well-being, and it is, at the end of the day, a thinly-veiled > interaction of real people, with the full spectrum of thoughts and > emotions that attends. > > Instituting a Compulsory Pleasantries Act won't change that. What do > you "only say positive things to each other!" people want? To > (metaphorically speaking) paint the room in warm, bright colours like > yellow and orange and insist that everyone smile and be nice? In > Soviet psychiatric "hospitals" for political dissidents, this kind of > paint job was said to consist of "aggressively cheerful colours." > > Contrary to the implicit allegations of self-appointed guardians of > decorum here, _very few people_ are genuinely, earnestly negative for > merely for the sake of being so. Usually, people have a bone to pick > for a reason, a reason everyone can appreciate and empathise with if > they listen. Under the veneer of "negativity" is useful information > and perspective, with all the utility as well as the limitations > inherent in a single narrator. Thus, it is not necessarily the case > that negative feedback is, by definition, not "constructive." > > The debasement, cultural Third Worldisation, and used car salesmanship > of the VoIP origination business presently being ascribed to DIDX in > this thread is a real story, consisting of real thoughts by real > people that is a useful data point from an empirical perspective. > Everyone is, of course, free to make their own judgments and > purchasing decisions. However, there is clearly sufficient consensus > around this angle on it that it's not just a figment of one > disgruntled individual's imagination. > > As with anything, there are invariable excesses, of course, but > there's some saying about heat and kitchens that speaks to that. > > In short, the value in "business"-themed lists, forums, etc. is to get > the good, the bad, and the ugly, like any community. That's part of > the reason, I would surmise, why Digium has hitherto taken a hands-off > role regarding requests to censor or moderate these lists. It doesn't > seem to me a good idea to tamper with the role played by all three of > those elements of the discursive timbre. > > -- Alex > > -- > Alex Balashov - Principal > Evariste Systems LLC > 1170 Peachtree Street > 12th Floor, Suite 1200 > Atlanta, GA 30309 > Tel: +1-678-954-0670 > Fax: +1-404-961-1892 > Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- > > asterisk-biz mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- > > asterisk-biz mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz > -- _____________________________________________________________________ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
