Tim Panton wrote:

On 3 Dec 2006, at 21:11, Derek Smithies wrote:

Hi, On Sun, 3 Dec 2006, Markku Korpi wrote:
Derek Smithies wrote:
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Kevin P. Fleming wrote:
Di-Shi Sun wrote:>

The third option could be to add a segmentation procedure in a similar way as they are used e.g. in SS7 ISUP and Q.931. In this
case we would need to select a message coding scheme that would
cause an old client/peer to throw away the segment message, but
proceed with the non-segmented content.

Are you suggesting to segment a large block of data into 250 byte
(say) chunks, with each chunk in a separate IE? Place a header byte
(or two) as the first element of the data field stating where this
chunk is in the large block of data ?

Yes, that would be roughly the segmentation principle, if we allow
segmentation at any octet boundary.

However, it would simplify the call processing, if we would/could split messages to segments at their IE boundaries only. This would allow reception of IEs contained in the segments in one step without a need to store the chunks and reassemble them back to a full message. The downside, this simplification would limit the max IE size to one segment, which could become a major limitation, probably sooner than later...
But perhaps there is a compromise.


But Kevin's point still applies, IAX doesn't support multiple
instances of the same IE type in a message. So to implement your
scheme you need to allocate new IE types called ExtendedMessage0
through to ExtendedMessage32 (or whatever) - which then obviates the
the need for the second 'sequence' byte in the data.

Anyhow, I can't help feeling this is the wrong way to tackle the
problem (admittedly we have not had the actual problem described,
just a possible solution).

Depending on what (exactly) the OP is trying to do, using one of the existing frame types seems like a better plan than using an IE, perhaps a 'pseudo' image or provisioning frame ?


If I interpret the OP correctly, he has faced two different problems when trying to implement new services over IAX:
 - Repeating the same information element in an IAX message
 - Sending messages when the IAX message size is exceeded

Segmentation could solve the latter problem in a backward compatible manner. The IAX message size limit is reached quite quickly, when we start implementing supplementary services over IAX.

Repetition is required, too, and is a very useful feature with supplementary services - for example listing of forwarding points in case of multiple call forwarding.

Like Russell said in his reply, the IAX protocol itself does not hinder repetition - only the current messages do not use it yet.

Markku
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