On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 15:15 +1100, David Uzzell wrote: > Ok I will give you that. > > If it is not enforcable in NZ thats great. Get a copy of the code and > build your own codec. If you want to use digium's codec then you have to > pay the lic fee even if the patent is not enforcable for you, thats the > way the world goes. They have a lic'ed product and only offer that > product for sale not as a free product. > Yup they have no way to enforce that its only used in places where the license is not enforcable so they cant easily do that without exposing them to liability for each copy. Plus they are in the US so odds are a claim they were distributing from the US would get them into hot water.
Now for the ITUs site, I found the data set that has the '3 diskettes' (their words) in the zip file (pdf or word) however that is 82 swiss francs, does anyone have a copy that doesnt require such payment (legally of course)? I am thinking of making this a AUG project in the near future to come up with a cheaper alternative. From what I am reading on similar ITU codecs its under $1 per unit licensing to the ITU so it could be a lot cheaper and still provide some money for the Sac AUG to get supplies for its activities (Sac AUG is not for profit 100% volunteer so no individual would actually profit). The people saying that thought it was about $0.50 per seat royalty. Maybe when I have time I will contact the ITU to see what their fee is. ITUs site for the reference implementation: http://www.itu.int/rec/recommendation.asp?type=items&lang=E&parent=T-REC-G.729-199611-I!AnnA > The question is really un-important for this list, it is ONLY important > between the person who thinks that they can use the g729 codec ignoring > the patent or considering that it is not legally enforcable for them and > their lawyer who will give them concise information about the legal > situation in their jurisdiction. > I think that it has some relevance to this list as thye are speaking about using that codec specifically in asterisk. Thus they are an asterisk user asking about an asterisk specific feature. Just because they happen to be asking about a caveat that only applies to a limited jurisdiction does not mean they shouldnt be able to ask. If that were the case then most of the questions that are asked that have to do with asterisk in different countries should be ignored, and I think that would be the wrong thing to do. > If you think the codec patent is legally unenforcable for you then go > for it get a copy of the code and build your own codec but when it > doesn't work or not work the way you see it working else were sorry your > on your own. If you buy a lic then you can get support to make sure it > works as it should. > The same could be said for any open source project. If it doesnt work for you oh well. I however dont see that happening, and with something like this, if the rumors are true and the per seat cost is about 50 cents then a not for profit group could easily sell it for $1 and still get funding to pay for servers and other things so they can play with different stuff. That is a big difference between a commercial and nonprofit entity. > Round and round we go back to the same place. If a PERSON considers the > codec patent legally unenforcable in their jurisdiction then they must > make that choice for themselves and going round and round in circle's on > this mailling list you will always end up back at the same place over > and over again. > yup you are going in circles, and without quoting anything.. Do you like to repeat yourself trying to imply that its someone elses fault that you repeated yourself? > GO SEE A LAWYER IN YOUR OWN JURISDICTION THAT KNOWS ABOUT THE LAWS THAT > EFFECT YOU DIRECTLY AND PAY THEM TO PROVIDE YOU SOUND ADVICE IN THE > SITUATION FOR YOU. Perhaps you should settle down, you seem a bit excited there. Just take a few deep breaths, remember you are not obligated to reply even if you feel compelled to do so. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 http://www.sacaug.org/ Sacramento Asterisk Users Group
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