Like what? I'm being very serious and firmly believe in what I said below. 
What's your issue with it? I'd really like to know, seriously, because I just 
can't understand why others don't have a problem with this.

        -----Original Message----- 
        From: Steve Totaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
        Sent: Tue 12/20/2005 9:49 PM 
        To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion 
        Cc: 
        Subject: RE: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SIP Subscriptions
        
        

        I hope you are just having a breakdown and aren't normally like this.
        
        
        >
        > Well, I know I will be attacked for saying this, as cursed are those
        who
        > say anything bad about Asterisk, but for an application that is
        > 'enterprise-grade' as Digium tourts, it has several flaws that IMHO
        > disqualify it as 'enterprise-grade'. I mean, really, c'mon... think
        about
        > it... an application that doesn't support the use of a database for
        common
        > location/registration information is hardly 'enterprise-grade'. Just
        off
        > the top of my head, other disqualifiers would be:
        >
        > 1. SIP subscriptions are stored in memory and cleared when you do a
        > 'reload'. So, if you make any configuration changes and 'reload' you
        lose
        > all your BLF lights. People take this stuff for granted and expect it
        to
        > work.
        >
        > 2. No common SIP registration information. Not even using realtime
        with
        > SIP users, which doesn't work, there's no way outside this to share
        > location info between more than one (ie 'enterprise-grade') Asterisk
        > systems.
        >
        > 3. The 'Dial' application seem to have very limited ability to be able
        to
        > determine what SIP response it gets back from a peer. "Not Found",
        "Busy",
        > "Moved" etc. I know Asterisk isn't a SIP proxy, but without the
        ability to
        > check the SIP message status in a dial, it makes redundancy very very
        > difficult. Redundancy is normally an important part of
        'enterprise-grade'.
        > Without this, how do you get upstream redundancy? I have something
        working
        > right now, but it isn't pretty!
        >
        > 4. DNS SRV lookups aren't implemented properly. Another important part
        of
        > redundancy and 'enterprise-grade' software.
        >
        > Before you all go ripping my head off and defecating down my neck for
        > saying anything bad about Asterisk (well CF can, I expect that), this
        is
        > just my opinion based on real world frustrations with Asterisk. These
        are
        > intended to be constructive criticisms.
        >
        > Maybe some from Digium will read this email and it will make a 0.001%
        > contribution towards some of these things being fixed. Oh, and no... I
        > can't switch to another solution. The decision was made above my head
        to
        > go with Asterisk. It's my job to make it do all that
        'enterprise-grade'
        > stuff.
        >
        > Doug.
        >
        >
        >       -----Original Message-----
        >       From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
        >       Sent: Tue 12/20/2005 8:02 PM
        >       To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
        >       Cc:
        >       Subject: Re: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SIP Subscriptions
        >
        >
        >
        >       > C F <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
        >       >
        >       > On 12/20/05, Douglas Garstang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
        >       > > Digium needs people like me, if they read this list that is.
        > They sure
        >       > don't seem to be able to make real-world functionality
        decisions
        > on
        >       > their own.
        >       > >
        >       >
        >       > You are so right, how did we do without you the last few
        >       > years???????????
        >
        >       By living on baked beans and cabbage.
        >
        >       PaulH
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