You have me there. The onlu thing I can think of is to offer some one money
to help build it for you. I had an issue with the p option in the dial
command and paid some one on the developers list to patch it for me and then
had him add it to SVN. Asterisk as a whole I think is good. It needs the
improvements that we want it to have so maybe dare I say pay some one to
modify the code. (Although I remember you saying a while back that you work
for some one else and they may have insisted that you use asterisk because
its free and some people seem to demand everything for open source and not
pay a pennie).
Dovid
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Garstang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion"
<asterisk-users@lists.digium.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Realtime and hints
We have bounced around various methods of efficient provisioning for months,
and unfortunately none of them seem to be a very good solution.
In regards to building static files, downloaded from the db:
1. Every time a customer makes a change, we have to download files again,
and do a 'reload' again. If several customers are doing it at the same time,
this could cause many downloads and reloads together. This doesn't seem like
a good solution. We could batch them together, and do them at specified
intervals, but then we have to tell customers via our web management
interface that they have to wait X number of minutes for their
findme/followme call routing changes to become effective. Not very nice.
2. How do you represent the files in the database? Do you store every line
as a record? We tried building a tiered hierarchial structure of roles,
clusters, hosts, files, contexts and elements for flexibility, but even with
MySQL consultant help, it became very complicated.
3. I'm sure I've forgotten some stuff.
In regards to using realtime:
1. You can't store BLF in realtime.
2. Realtime doesn't support ex-girlfriend logic.
3. You still need to use the 'include =>' statement in the dialplan. This
means your still going to have to make edits to the config files anyway from
time to time, even with realtime.
4. The data as stored in the db is hard to manipulate for a Web Developer
who doesn't know the inner workings of Asterisk.
In my mind, provisioning and management are two of Asterisk's BIGGEST
challenges. We've been stewing over it for a long time.
Doug.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dovid Bender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:29 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Realtime and hints
Ok. Now I understand. What you can do is put it in a db and
whenever you
make changes you have asterisk grab the info from the db and
put it into a
file and reload asterisk. Of course asterisk supporting it
would be a lot
easier. Maybe you can get some one on the devel. list to do
it. I also
wondering if they will ever have support for complete real
time of contexts.
So I dont have to put them in the static files. I have a
friend that when he
has time will patch asterisk to look up a new table in the db
with a list of
contexts so that each time u create a new one you can just
add it to the
DB.
Dovid
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Garstang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion"
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Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:09 AM
Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Realtime and hints
If you have to put one of the lines in extensions.conf, then
you completely
lose all the advantages that realtime gives you. You might as
well just put
both in extensions.conf now, as any change to the hint, or an
addition,
deletion etc is going to require a database change which is
ok, but also an
edit of the file and a subsequent asterisk reload.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dovid Bender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 7:17 AM
> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Realtime and hints
>
>
> I dont know why it is working but it is. My first line I have in
> extensions.conf and the second I have in MySql.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Douglas Garstang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion"
> <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:00 PM
> Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Realtime and hints
>
>
> I don't see how that helps. If you have a portion of the hint
> still in
> extensions.conf, then what use is the database?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Aaron Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:24 AM
> > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> > Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Realtime and hints
> >
> >
> > That's what he was gettin at. Take the second line out,
and put the
> > first priority in the database.
> >
> > On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 10:17 -0600, Douglas Garstang wrote:
> > > But... you need _both_ in your dialplan.
> > >
> > > My extensions.conf has:
> > >
> > > exten => 2944054,hint, SIP/2944054
> > > exten => 2944054,1, Dial(SIP/2944054)
> > >
> > > ie two lines for the hint.
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Dovid Bender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:32 AM
> > > > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> > > > Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Realtime and hints
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Doug I have
> > > > Exten => 10,hint,SIP/11010
> > > > and in mysql I have
> > > > exten => 10,1,Dial(SIP/11010)
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Douglas Garstang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion"
> > > > <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 3:37 PM
> > > > Subject: [asterisk-users] Realtime and hints
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Can realtime be used with hints? How would you get the
> > > > following into the
> > > > database given that the priority column is numeric, and that
> > > > there is no
> > > > application for the first entry?
> > > >
> > > > exten => 2944006,hint,SIP/2944006
> > > > exten => 2944006,1,Dial(SIP/2944006)
> > > >
> > > > Every time I touch realtime I hit obstacles. How are others
> > > > getting around
> > > > this limitation?
> > > >
> > > > Doug.
> > > >
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