Rick Green wrote: > On Thu, 7 Jan 2010, David Gibbons wrote: > > >> Yes, gmail DOES default to top posting, because bottom posting is silly >> (in general, but especially for a client that hides quoted text (like >> gmail)). Top posting is modern. And better. And doesn't make me scroll >> through 10 thousand messages and awful rsa keys to get to the message... >> FLAME AWAY!!! >> > This is not intended as a flame... I just got a gmail account a month > ago, and haven't used it but for a single google group and calendar > notifications. This morning, after seeing the above message, I actually > hit reply on several messages, and this is what I found: > > 1) In every case, gmail presented me with the entire text of the message > in the compose window. There was NO indication of 'hidden' full-quote. > Yes, the cursor is initially placed at the top of the window. > > 2) The 'Daily Agenda' mails I get from Google Calendar arrive in some kind > of rich formatting, but right at the top of the composer window is a small > unobtrusive link labelled '<Plain text', which strips the formatting, and > makes deleting the unnecessary text trivial. > > 3) Plain text email arriving from a friend's android/gmail device are > displayed in plain text already. > > 4) I searched thru the settings dialog, and I found nothing where I had > explicitly told it to include the text in a reply, or to show or hide that > text. I DID specify that 'plain text' was to be my default outgoing > format. > > IMHO, top-posting isn't the problem, but just an obvious symptom of the > real problem, which is failure to edit/strip the quotes to the bare > minimum. When a thread gets hijacked by top-posters, who bang out their > thoughts without even scrolling down to see all the garbage below, another > problem also becomes apparent, and that is the failure of many MUAs to > honor 'sigdashes', which is the convention of preceeding your sigfile with > a line that is 'dash dash space <CR>'. A compliant MUA will strip that > line and everything after it when quoting for a reply or forward. Note > for the list admin: Please preceed your message-footer with a sigdashes > line! > > And to add on to this: aside from whether you think it is silly or not, there are: 1) RFC's 2) List rules
And when both of those tell you to bottom-post, then who are you to decide otherwise, just because you think it is silly? Well, maybe I think it is silly that I cannot hit you in the face everytime you say "I", would you allow me to hit you, or would you protest and demand I keep to the rules that tell me I can't do that? Civility demands I keep to the rules and do not hit you in the face. The same civility demands you keep to the rules as well and do not top-post! Is that *really* so hard? Just because Microsoft and others decide to place the cursor at the wrong position doesn't mean you have to be a mindless herd-animal and follow that incorrect behavior! Please people, stop these totally pointless discussions and get back on-topic!... PS: I did not have to cut anything, thanks to Rick using the dash-dash-space convention, and Thunderbird honoring that convention. PPS: Top or Bottom posting does NOT change anything about the fact you should <SNIP> stuff that is no longer relevant Just my €0.02! -- Francesco _______________________________________________ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
