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>   1. How to stop ringing when incoming PSTN call is   answered
>      externally? ([email protected])
>   2. Is Asterisk Support RFC-5168 (DHAVAL INDRODIYA)
>   3. Re: Dynamic hint from db? (Roland)
>   4. Asterisk and chat (Matteo Calorio)
>   5. Re: Rate sheet "normalization" (A E [Gmail])
>   6. Re: Rate sheet "normalization" (Alex Balashov)
>   7. Re: Rate sheet "normalization" (C. Savinovich)
>   8. Re: Rate sheet "normalization" (Leandro Dardini)
>   9. Re: Rate sheet "normalization" (C. Savinovich)
>  10. Re: Rate sheet "normalization" (Don Kelly)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:27:40 -0400
>From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>Subject: [asterisk-users] How to stop ringing when incoming PSTN call
>       is      answered externally?
>To: [email protected]
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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>This is a hard one to explain.  My home PSTN line is connected via an 
>Openvox A400P card to my Asterisk 1.6.2.23 box which then routes 
>incoming calls to my 2 SCCP extensions.
>
>The calls are routed just fine, but when a call is answered at one of 
>the extensions or externally (by a home telephone) the asterisk 
>extensions continue to ring one more time.  Is there a way to have 
>Asterisk drop an incoming PSTN call as soon as it's answered?
>
>CLI output when receiving a PSTN call:
>  Starting simple switch on 'DAHDI/3-1'
>     -- Executing [s@from-pstn-3:1] Wait("DAHDI/3-1", "1") in new stack
>     -- Executing [s@from-pstn-3:2] Verbose("DAHDI/3-1", "CALLERID is 
>XXXXXXXXXX") in new stack
>CALLERID is XXXXXXXXXX
>     -- Executing [s@from-pstn-3:3] Verbose("DAHDI/3-1", "Time is 
>20120327-204307") in new stack
>Time is 20120327-204307
>     -- Executing [s@from-pstn-3:4] Dial("DAHDI/3-1", 
>"SCCP/1000&SCCP/1100,30") in new stack
>     -- Called 1000
>     -- Called 1100
>     -- SCCP/1000-00000038 is ringing
>     -- SCCP/1100-00000039 is ringing
>   == Spawn extension (from-pstn-3, s, 4) exited non-zero on 'DAHDI/3-1'
>     -- Hungup 'DAHDI/3-1'
>
>
>[from-pstn-3]
>exten => s,1,Wait(1)
>exten => s,n,Verbose(CALLERID is ${CALLERID(num)})
>exten => s,n,Verbose(Time is ${STRFTIME(${EPOCH},,%Y%m%d-%H%M%S)})
>;exten => s,n,Answer
>exten => s,n,Dial(SCCP/1000&SCCP/1100,30)
>exten => s,n,Hangup
>
>
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:43:20 +0530
>From: DHAVAL INDRODIYA <[email protected]>
>Subject: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk Support RFC-5168
>To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>       <[email protected]>
>Message-ID:
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>Hi All,
>
>i am working on video setup within asterisk my simple question is asterisk
>support RFC-5168.
>
>if yes then in which version ?
>
>thanks
>Dhaval
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>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:19:12 +0200
>From: Roland <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Dynamic hint from db?
>To: [email protected]
>Message-ID:
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>I'll answer my own question for the archives... although my question maybe
>was just too obvious ;-)
>
>The problem was, that I had put this piece of Dialplan in my
>extensions.conf like this:
>
>[StumpelLocal]
>exten => _ZXX!,hint,${SIP_BYEXT(${EXTEN},${CONTEXT})}
>exten => _ZXX!,1,Verbose(3, Search extension ${EXTEN} in context
>${CONTEXT})
>  same => n,Set(SIP=${SIP_BYEXT(${EXTEN},${CONTEXT})})
>  same => n,GotoIf(${SIP}?:notFound)
>  same => n,SIPAddHeader(Alert-Info: internal)
>  same => n,Dial(${SIP})
>  same => n(notFound),Playback(you-dialed-wrong-number)
>  same => n,Hangup
>
>
>[StumpelZwaag]
>include => StumpelLocal
>
>I registered my SIP accounts in the database with context StumpelZwaag. But
>of course the hints aren't being executed from StumpelZwaag, but probably
>from StumpelLocal (if they have a contect at all??), the lookup failed. So
>I changed the dynamic hint to:
>
>exten => _ZXX!,hint,${SIP_BYEXT(${EXTEN},StumpelZwaag)}
>exten => _ZXX!,1,Verbose(3, Search extension ${EXTEN} in context
>${CONTEXT})
>  same => n,Set(SIP=${SIP_BYEXT(${EXTEN},${CONTEXT})})
>  same => n,GotoIf(${SIP}?:notFound)
>  same => n,SIPAddHeader(Alert-Info: internal)
>  same => n,Dial(${SIP})
>  same => n(notFound),Playback(you-dialed-wrong-number)
>  same => n,Hangup
>
>I hardcoded the context, so now it works.
>
>Also I found that "core show hints" on the CLI, also show the hints that
>were creating through this dynamic hint. So you will see the actual list of
>hints. At first I thought the dynamic hint would only be shown as
>                  _ZXX!@StumpelLocal        : ${SIP_BYEXT(${EXTEN}
>State:Unavailable     Watchers  0
>
>This is not the case, so you can test if your dynamic hint is working
>correctly by checking this table.
>
>Also my phone seems to be rather slow in processing the hint changes... so
>it may take a few minutes before the changes take effect.
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Roland <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I would like to fetch my extensions from the database. I created a dynamic
>> hint, but doesn't seem to work. The BLF on my phone doesn't change when the
>> state of the extension changed.
>>
>> This is in my dialplan:
>>
>> exten => _ZXX!,hint,${SIP_BYEXT(${EXTEN},${CONTEXT})}
>> exten => _ZXX!,1,Verbose(3, Search extension ${EXTEN} in context
>> ${CONTEXT})
>>   same => n,Set(SIP=${SIP_BYEXT(${EXTEN},${CONTEXT})})
>>   same => n,GotoIf(${SIP}?:notFound)
>>   same => n,SIPAddHeader(Alert-Info: internal)
>>   same => n,Dial(${SIP})
>>   same => n(notFound),Playback(you-dialed-wrong-number)
>>   same => n,Hangup
>>
>> Is something like this possible?
>>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:49:01 +0200
>From: Matteo Calorio <[email protected]>
>Subject: [asterisk-users] Asterisk and chat
>To: [email protected]
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>Content-Type: Text/Plain;  charset="utf-8"
>
>Hello,
>
>
>I have a working Asterisk installation, but I would like to add chat between 
>users; I have also a working Ejabberd installation and with Asterisk's 
>jabber.conf file I can make my two systems communicate.
>
>What I can't do is to link together the two accounts, the asterisk extension 
>and the ejabberd account for every user.
>
>The final effect I would like is that a user, simply putting "myuser@pbx" and 
>"mypass" in his softphone (Jitsi in my case) would get both voice and text 
>messages enabled with (apparently) a single account.
>
>It's a little difficult to explain for me, but I subscribed an account on 
>ippi.fr and so did some friends of mine: well, without doing anything else we 
>have both voice and chat.
>
>
>Bye,
>  Matteo
>
>
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 09:41:57 -0400
>From: "A E [Gmail]" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet "normalization"
>To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>       <[email protected]>
>Message-ID:
>       <cadzy+jgzhqsd7nquzp41+f5vtxgq9a83tax3sawqpgbfahw...@mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Markus <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> this question is not Asterisk specific, but since there are so many
>> experts present on this list, maybe its OK to ask anyways.
>>
>> I'm having a hard time "normalizing" rate sheets from different providers.
>> What I mean with this: the goal is to always get the cheapest rate for a
>> given destination. What I would like to do is throw like 10 rate sheets
>> from different providers together and as output get a single rate sheet
>> with only the cheapest rates. However, some providers are listing a
>> country, lets say Germany, as code "49" with a specific rate, and another
>> provider will list each city individually, and each code separately, e.g.
>> Berlin "4930", Hamburg "4940" etc., and probably different cities have
>> different rates as well. Now, if the "49" route of the first provider is
>> cheaper, my system (a2billing) will still use the more expensive "4930"
>> code because it is more specific.
>>
>> I'm looking for some awesome, smart tool that will automatically
>> "normalize" all these code differences and output a clean ratesheet with
>> only the cheapest rates.
>>
>> Does such a thing exist? I wonder how everyone else is "normalizing" their
>> different rate sheets. With a homebrewn script?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>Markus,
>
>you're not the first person and certainly not the last person who's ever
>asked about this. I had tried this on several mailing lists a little while
>ago.  A tool that could handle 10 or maybe even 5 provider rate-sheets all
>of which can potentially completely differ in formats from each other. Even
>worse are the rate update sheets from each provider which are many a times
>different from the initial rate sheets that the provider may have given you
>and then again they will differ from the rate updates from the remaining 4
>providers you've just painstakingly inserted into your DB.
>
>Given the popularity of Asterisk and other popular OSS based telephony
>platforms with several successful businesses running 100s of millions of
>minutes, you'd think at least a few have sorted this problem out. But I
>believe those who have, never respond to these emails as it took them quite
>a bit of effort to create such a tool and aren't willing to just give it
>away.
>
>Just what I have observed (and was even blatantly told by someone on some
>mailing list, can't remember exactly)
>
>You may have to advertise in the commercial / business list or offer a
>bounty. There are several commercial solutions available but I think they
>all come as a "feature" of a larger billing/rating/routing platform
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>Message: 6
>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:00:59 -0400
>From: Alex Balashov <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet "normalization"
>To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>       <[email protected]>
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>We solve this problem for our customers all the time, in various 
>situationally-specific ways. But yes, we are not really in a position to 
>genericise it and give it away.  It's not because we are greedy.  The time and 
>resources just aren't there.
>
>--
>Alex Balashov - Principal 
>Evariste Systems LLC 
>235 E Ponce de Leon Ave 
>Suite 106
>Atlanta, GA 30030 
>Tel: +1-678-954-0670 
>Fax: +1-404-961-1892 
>Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com
>
>"A E [Gmail]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Markus <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> this question is not Asterisk specific, but since there are so many
>>> experts present on this list, maybe its OK to ask anyways.
>>>
>>> I'm having a hard time "normalizing" rate sheets from different providers.
>>> What I mean with this: the goal is to always get the cheapest rate for a
>>> given destination. What I would like to do is throw like 10 rate sheets
>>> from different providers together and as output get a single rate sheet
>>> with only the cheapest rates. However, some providers are listing a
>>> country, lets say Germany, as code "49" with a specific rate, and another
>>> provider will list each city individually, and each code separately, e.g.
>>> Berlin "4930", Hamburg "4940" etc., and probably different cities have
>>> different rates as well. Now, if the "49" route of the first provider is
>>> cheaper, my system (a2billing) will still use the more expensive "4930"
>>> code because it is more specific.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for some awesome, smart tool that will automatically
>>> "normalize" all these code differences and output a clean ratesheet with
>>> only the cheapest rates.
>>>
>>> Does such a thing exist? I wonder how everyone else is "normalizing" their
>>> different rate sheets. With a homebrewn script?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>Markus,
>>
>>you're not the first person and certainly not the last person who's ever
>>asked about this. I had tried this on several mailing lists a little while
>>ago.  A tool that could handle 10 or maybe even 5 provider rate-sheets all
>>of which can potentially completely differ in formats from each other. Even
>>worse are the rate update sheets from each provider which are many a times
>>different from the initial rate sheets that the provider may have given you
>>and then again they will differ from the rate updates from the remaining 4
>>providers you've just painstakingly inserted into your DB.
>>
>>Given the popularity of Asterisk and other popular OSS based telephony
>>platforms with several successful businesses running 100s of millions of
>>minutes, you'd think at least a few have sorted this problem out. But I
>>believe those who have, never respond to these emails as it took them quite
>>a bit of effort to create such a tool and aren't willing to just give it
>>away.
>>
>>Just what I have observed (and was even blatantly told by someone on some
>>mailing list, can't remember exactly)
>>
>>You may have to advertise in the commercial / business list or offer a
>>bounty. There are several commercial solutions available but I think they
>>all come as a "feature" of a larger billing/rating/routing platform
>>
>>--
>>_____________________________________________________________________
>>-- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com --
>>New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs:
>>               http://www.asterisk.org/hello
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>Message: 7
>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 07:27:03 -0700
>From: "C. Savinovich" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet "normalization"
>To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion"
>       <[email protected]>
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>Message: 8
>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:38:03 +0200
>From: Leandro Dardini <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet "normalization"
>To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>       <[email protected]>
>Message-ID:
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>
>Continuing with the top post...
>
>I believe in open source philosophy. A software or a list of telephone
>prefix makes no difference. If you want to make such list open source,
>you'll be sure somebody will contribute to maintain it update and all will
>benefit from it.
>
>Leandro
>
>2012/3/28 C. Savinovich <[email protected]>
>
>>
>> I really don't think it is fair for anyone to give out such work for
>> free.  Unfortunately, many people are used to asking for free software
>> solutions for all their problems.  Whatever happened to paying for someone
>> else's time and effort?
>>
>>
>> Christian Savinovich
>> *VoIP & Telephony Consultant*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet "normalization"
>> From: Alex Balashov <[email protected]>
>> Date: Wed, March 28, 2012 10:00 am
>> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>> <[email protected]>
>>
>> We solve this problem for our customers all the time, in various
>> situationally-specific ways. But yes, we are not really in a position to
>> genericise it and give it away. It's not because we are greedy. The time
>> and resources just aren't there.
>>
>> --
>> Alex Balashov - Principal
>> Evariste Systems LLC
>> 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave
>> Suite 106
>> Atlanta, GA 30030
>> Tel: +1-678-954-0670
>> Fax: +1-404-961-1892
>> Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.alexbalashov.com
>>
>> "A E [Gmail]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Markus <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> this question is not Asterisk specific, but since there are so many
>>> experts present on this list, maybe its OK to ask anyways.
>>>
>>> I'm having a hard time "normalizing" rate sheets from different
>>> providers. What I mean with this: the goal is to always get the cheapest
>>> rate for a given destination. What I would like to do is throw like 10 rate
>>> sheets from different providers together and as output get a single rate
>>> sheet with only the cheapest rates. However, some providers are listing a
>>> country, lets say Germany, as code "49" with a specific rate, and another
>>> provider will list each city individually, and each code separately, e.g.
>>> Berlin "4930", Hamburg "4940" etc., and probably different cities have
>>> different rates as well. Now, if the "49" route of the first provider is
>>> cheaper, my system (a2billing) will still use the more expensive "4930"
>>> code because it is more specific.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for some awesome, smart tool that will automatically
>>> "normalize" all these code differences and output a clean ratesheet with
>>> only the cheapest rates.
>>>
>>> Does such a thing exist? I wonder how everyone else is "normalizing"
>>> their different rate sheets. With a homebrewn script?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>> Markus,
>>
>> you're not the first person and certainly not the last person who's ever
>> asked about this. I had tried this on several mailing lists a little while
>> ago.  A tool that could handle 10 or maybe even 5 provider rate-sheets all
>> of which can potentially completely differ in formats from each other. Even
>> worse are the rate update sheets from each provider which are many a times
>> different from the initial rate sheets that the provider may have given you
>> and then again they will differ from the rate updates from the remaining 4
>> providers you've just painstakingly inserted into your DB.
>>
>> Given the popularity of Asterisk and other popular OSS based telephony
>> platforms with several successful businesses running 100s of millions of
>> minutes, you'd think at least a few have sorted this problem out. But I
>> believe those who have, never respond to these emails as it took them quite
>> a bit of effort to create such a tool and aren't willing to just give it
>> away.
>>
>> Just what I have observed (and was even blatantly told by someone on some
>> mailing list, can't remember exactly)
>>
>> You may have to advertise in the commercial / business list or offer a
>> bounty. There are several commercial solutions available but I think they
>> all come as a "feature" of a larger billing/rating/routing platform
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> --
>> _____________________________________________________________________
>> -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com --
>> New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs:
>> http://www.asterisk.org/hello
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>>
>> --
>> _____________________________________________________________________
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>>               http://www.asterisk.org/hello
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>Message: 9
>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:58:29 -0700
>From: "C. Savinovich" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet "normalization"
>To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion"
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>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:28:24 -0500
>From: "Don Kelly" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet "normalization"
>To: "'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'"
>       <[email protected]>
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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>Adding to the top-posted discussion of doing this for free?
>
> 
>
>A one-time rate sheet is of no value. This is something that would need 
>constant updating.
>
> 
>
>Think about the open source projects that provided something useful and were 
>improved by the community for a couple years, then became static?continuing to 
>do what they did, but not receiving any more support from the community. They 
>may continue to be of value, even though they don?t improve.
>
> 
>
>If the same thing happened with the rate sheet, it would quickly become not 
>only valueless, but dangerous to rely on?and there would likely be no free 
>replacement to enable you to stay in business.
>
>--Don
>
>Don Kelly
>
>PCF Corp
>People Come First
>651 842-1000
>651 842-1001 fax
>
>From: [email protected] 
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of C. Savinovich
>Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:58 AM
>To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet "normalization"
>
> 
>
> 
>
>Sure someone will benefit from it. But what about all those others who are 
>financially affected by it? I certainly do not think that someone necessarily 
>always contributes. It ultimately affects our economy, because money doesn't 
>circulate, and many people who are in a perfect position to disburse money 
>just don't do it.  It affects an entire industry (the software industry) that 
>could flourish and create even better products thanks to a competition that 
>could exists if there were financial rewards.  Ultimately, free software (not 
>open source) affects the little guy and benefits the big guys.  Gone are the 
>days when a talented programmer could create a program and make a million 
>dollars from his basement with his talent. If your company name is not Google, 
>if you don't do a tap and a dance to an investor, then you got no chance, as 
>opposed to the days when you could just sell your own version of Vicidial and 
>make money for a year.
>
> 
>
>But rather than discussing about the pros and cons of open source, which is 
>here to stay, I would think that some people are doomed to fail if they think 
>they can run a business entirely on free rides.  The goal of Open Source is to 
>benefit from sharing and share ahead, but unfortunately a segment of the 
>market has gotten to the point that it only takes but doesn't give back.
>
> 
>
>Christian Savinovich
>
>VoIP & Telephony Consultant
>
>646-982-3572
>
> 
>
> 
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet "normalization"
>From: Leandro Dardini <[email protected]>
>Date: Wed, March 28, 2012 10:38 am
>To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
><[email protected]>
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>Continuing with the top post...
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>I believe in open source philosophy. A software or a list of telephone prefix 
>makes no difference. If you want to make such list open source, you'll be sure 
>somebody will contribute to maintain it update and all will benefit from it.
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>Leandro
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>2012/3/28 C. Savinovich <[email protected]>
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>I really don't think it is fair for anyone to give out such work for free.  
>Unfortunately, many people are used to asking for free software solutions for 
>all their problems.  Whatever happened to paying for someone else's time and 
>effort?
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>Christian Savinovich
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>VoIP & Telephony Consultant
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>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet "normalization"
>From: Alex Balashov <[email protected]>
>Date: Wed, March 28, 2012 10:00 am
>To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion 
><[email protected]>
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>We solve this problem for our customers all the time, in various 
>situationally-specific ways. But yes, we are not really in a position to 
>genericise it and give it away. It's not because we are greedy. The time and 
>resources just aren't there.
>
>--
>Alex Balashov - Principal 
>Evariste Systems LLC 
>235 E Ponce de Leon Ave 
>Suite 106
>Atlanta, GA 30030 
>Tel: +1-678-954-0670 <tel:%2B1-678-954-0670>  
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