On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 02:53:56PM -0700, Keith Burns arranged a set of bits into the following: > Be careful of LI requirements in Australia.
Which ones, there are pretty much none! What we have in .au (for quite a lot of things in reality) is a PERCEPTION that these things are legislated (like free speech and lifeline services) but they arn't. And I can confirm that under australian communications law if you're doing VoIP lifeline is not a requirement (and if required I can supply contact details of one of the people who recently got that statement claified in the law). > You MAY be able to put the onus for this on your upstream (PRI/IMT) > provider, but if you have many, this could be messy. > > Best bet would be to have a solution yourself... when I was looking into > this the good news was that the enforcement agencies (which at last > count was around 47, any of whom could hit you for their own real-time > feed of the conversation) were considering taking the VoIP feed (RTP) > and the logs of the signaling. (Things may have changed, your mileage > may vary, yada, yada, yada). > > Also, after a little kiddy died of an asthma attack in rural Victoria > because Telstra (the lazy @[EMAIL PROTECTED] - I digress) hadn't fixed their > phone, > lifeline services (E911 in the US) are more and more important to have > nailed.. you don't want that on your conscience (your service not > working causing harm to someone) nor would your business appreciate the > lawsuits. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Robbins > > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 2:02 PM > > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Becoming a VOIP provider > > > > Ty Carter wrote: > > > > >Ed: > > > > > >I think you must have some bad information here.....VoIP is an > Information > > >service and not subject to CALEA regulations..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether it's a subject to those regulations or not I still know first > > hand it's a big issue with broadband voip providers. I work for a > > company that develops VoiP for the broadband market and it's something > > we had to develop for our customers. I don't know all the details of > it > > and what is going on behind the scenes in terms of regulations but my > > thinking is that voip providers have to tie into the PSTN somewhere > and > > the FCC can most likely tap into(no pun intended), meaning require you > > meet the guidlines put forth in CALEA, from that legal point of view. > I > > had never thought about this before but I should talk to my buddy who > > got a CLEC a few years ago, I'm wondering if there is something in > there > > that spells it out. > > > > Ed > > > > >According to the calea website: > > > > > >In a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking FCC 02-42 released on February 15, > 2002, > > >the FCC initiated a proceeding to establish rules and regulations > regarding > > >the classification of "wireline broadband Internet access" under the > > >Telecommunications Act. Digital Subscriber Line (DSL) service is an > example > > >of wireline broadband Internet access. In this document, the FCC > > >"tentatively" decided that wireline broadband Internet access is an > > >"information service." > > > > > >In a Declaratory Ruling and Notice of Proposed Rulemaking FCC 02-77 > released > > >on March 15, 2002, the FCC made a "declaratory ruling" that cable > modem > > >service (Internet access through cable TV lines) is an "information > service" > > >under the Telecommunication Act and initiated a proceeding to > establish > > >rules and regulations based on that finding. > > > > > >Therefore, the FCC's pending wireline broadband Internet access > proceeding > > >is CC Docket Nos. 02-33, 95-20, and 98-10 and the cable modem > broadband > > >Internet access proceeding is CS Docket No. 02-52 (collectively the > "FCC > > >Broadband Proceedings"). > > > > > >It should be noted that the FCC is not primarily focusing on CALEA in > these > > >proceedings, rather its emphasis is on the economic and policy > concerns > > >involved in regulation of these services under the Communications > Act. > > >However, since CALEA exempts "information service" from the > surveillance > > >capability requirements of Section 103, these FCC decisions have the > > >potential to exclude broadband DSL and cable modem service from CALEA > > >compliance. > > > > > >The FBI filed the following comments in the Broadband > > > > > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > >>Ed Robbins > > >>Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:19 PM > > >>To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > > >>Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Becoming a VOIP provider > > >> > > >>Manjit Riat wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>That was a really nice description... Can you do 1-14 and I'll do > 15 > > >>>and 16?? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>Just kiddin. > > >>> > > >>>-----Original Message----- > > >>>From: Ty Carter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 10:58 AM > > >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial > > >>>Discussion' > > >>>Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Becoming a VOIP provider > > >>> > > >>>1. You must have some type of business model / plan 2. Be well > > >>>capitalized, starting out is going to be a cash draining > experience. > > >>>3. Have access to (U.S.) PRI or Channelized T1 and High > > >>> > > >>> > > >>speed Internet > > >> > > >> > > >>>connection 4. For U.S. it always helps on the bottom line > > >>> > > >>> > > >>if you're a > > >> > > >> > > >>>CLEC 5. Have a test server, if you want to play in the enterprise > > >>>market, buy a test 1U server and a 1 T1 PRI card 6. Forumlate your > > >>>POPS 7. Get a ANCP Code from Telcordia, then apply for a > > >>> > > >>> > > >>CIC, Part A > > >> > > >> > > >>>code (commly reffered to as a PIC code (10-10-987) 8. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>Arrange for a LD > > >> > > >> > > >>>carrier, preferabably one that can terminate and originate > > >>> > > >>> > > >>via SIP, IAX > > >> > > >> > > >>>or IP 9. Arrange for PSAP integration/handoff (for 911) 10. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>Have your > > >> > > >> > > >>>lawyer establish your Terms of Service and disclose to your clients > > >>>about the 911 availability and have them sign off on this. > > >>>11. When all of the above is satisified and working, > > >>> > > >>> > > >>formulate a beta > > >> > > >> > > >>>pool of clients, a couple of small businesses and a few > residentials > > >>>12. Give them cutrate service for testing 13. Once your have > > >>> > > >>> > > >>your beta > > >> > > >> > > >>>trials, put it into production and let the money start flowing. > > >>>14. Put in a HP Blade server rack, and start provisioning > > >>> > > >>> > > >>asterisk like > > >> > > >> > > >>>crazy. > > >>>15. Laugh all the way to the bank > > >>>16. Retire when your 47 and relax on the beach with a > > >>> > > >>> > > >>beautiful woman > > >> > > >> > > >>>in one hand and a cold drink in the other :-) > > >>> > > >>>That is about all there is to it..... > > >>> > > >>>Any more questions? > > >>> > > >>>Ty Carter > > >>>Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. > > >>>524 East 9th Street > > >>>Washington, NC 27889 > > >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>P.S. The last few items are just a joke.. Please, list, > > >>> > > >>> > > >>don't bombard > > >> > > >> > > >>>me with flames about hardware vendors or laughing on the way to the > > >>>bank. This is just a 30,000 ft overview. If you want specifics, > > >>>contact me off list and I will try and help you. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>I don't know applicability in Australia, but in the US don't > > >>forget about CALEA. Seems like that is a big issue for a lot > > >>of providers to come to terms with. > > >> > > >>Ed > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>Asterisk-Users mailing list > > >>[email protected] > > >>http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > >>To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > > >> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Asterisk-Users mailing list > > >[email protected] > > >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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