My 2 cents worth:
1) 
Bare Metal Pros:
- A known and reliable quantity. 
- Simple architecture
- A router or firewall replacement

Bare Metal Cons:
- More expensive if a VM Host exists
- Redundancy is harder


VM Pros:
- Simple redundancy
- Simple deployment (can build a template)
- Ability to run some other apps e.g. Ubiquity Controller alongside Astlinux

VM Cons:
- I think that most customers would not like their VM Host Internet facing even 
though Virtual Switches should be secure. My only VM I have deployed has a 
Public IP Address but sits behind a firewall
- The constant concerns of a virtualised appliance passing Real Time traffic. 
Resource management is important and features like Snapshots and VMotion can 
cause unacceptable delays. 

2) Im sorry but I really don’t see the point of using a small host to run a VM. 
Most advantages of virtualisation is reaped through economies of scale. 
Realistically I am seeing less and less onsite servers for businesses. This is 
the beauty of Astlinux. One box onsite to provide all your communications needs 
and you can have a NAS if you have slow Internet. Why bother with anything else?

3) Yep as above for VM Cons.

Don’t get me wrong here, I really see a huge future for Astlinux in VM but I 
only plan on using it in a controlled environment with guaranteed resources.
Give me a dedicated APU2 anytime with plenty of resources to spare!

Regards
Michael Knill






On 16/03/2016, 3:15 PM, "Lonnie Abelbeck" <li...@lonnie.abelbeck.com> wrote:

Brainstorming...

Time to time it is good to take a forest view of the landscape, so I would like 
everyone reading this to offer their insights, brainstorming rules, no bad 
ideas.

Background:
=========
It seems x86 platforms to run AstLinux has never been better, for example the 
PC Engines new APU2 appears to be a great match, as well as Virtual Machine 
solutions.

One recently released appliance is based on a Xen hypervisor - beroNet 
Telephony Appliance 2.0
http://www.beronet.com/products/telephony-appliance/

Our new AstLinux 'genx86_64-vm' board type should work well with that beroNet 
appliance, or alternatively an enterprising integrator could put Proxmox VE or 
XenServer on Jetway's new Celeron J1900 based 4x NIC network appliance and 
offer a similar solution.  CPU support for Intel VT-x  / AMD-v virtualization 
is quite common anymore.

Questions:
========
1) When should AstLinux be bare-metal and when should it run as a guest VM ?

2) For SOHO and SMB deployments using VM's, what kind of guest VM's would run 
along side AstLinux ?  Would these be typically Windows Server situations that 
would need more than a 2 GHz J1900 or are there other Linux based services that 
could efficiently offer an office full of solutions ?

3) Would you trust your edge network router/firewall to be running as a guest 
VM ?  Possibly dependent on the deployment size ?

Please discuss...

Lonnie


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