I too was surprised how efficient the Q190G4N-S07 runs, actually idles using less power than the APU2 if the VGA port is not connected, about the same if connected.
Indeed there is no mystery why this Qotom runs cool, a large heat sink connected to the board which is in contact with a large thermal pad, which connects to the very large case heat sink. The supporting circuitry around the CPU draws power, here is the Qotom "lspci" ... -- 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series SoC Transaction Register (rev 0e) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphics & Display (rev 0e) 00:13.0 SATA controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor E3800 Series SATA AHCI Controller (rev 0e) 00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx, Celeron N2000 Series USB xHCI (rev 0e) 00:1a.0 Encryption controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Trusted Execution Engine (rev 0e) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series High Definition Audio Controller (rev 0e) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Atom Processor E3800 Series PCI Express Root Port 1 (rev 0e) 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Atom Processor E3800 Series PCI Express Root Port 2 (rev 0e) 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Atom Processor E3800 Series PCI Express Root Port 3 (rev 0e) 00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Atom Processor E3800 Series PCI Express Root Port 4 (rev 0e) 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series USB EHCI (rev 0e) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Power Control Unit (rev 0e) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation Atom Processor E3800 Series SMBus Controller (rev 0e) 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation I211 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03) 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation I211 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03) 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation I211 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03) 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation I211 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03) -- no doubt well chosen, power efficient choices. for grins, compare to the APU2c4 "lspci" ... -- 00:02.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 156b 00:02.2 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor Functions 5:1 00:02.3 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor Functions 5:1 00:02.4 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor Functions 5:1 00:08.0 Encryption controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 1537 00:10.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH USB XHCI Controller (rev 11) 00:11.0 SATA controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SATA Controller [IDE mode] (rev 40) 00:13.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH USB EHCI Controller (rev 39) 00:14.0 SMBus: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SMBus Controller (rev 42) 00:14.3 ISA bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH LPC Bridge (rev 11) 00:14.7 SD Host controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SD Flash Controller (rev 01) 00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 1580 00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 1581 00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 1582 00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 1583 00:18.4 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 1584 00:18.5 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 1585 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation I210 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03) 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation I210 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03) 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation I210 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03) -- David, a person could fill this Qotom box with 8 GB of RAM and a 128 GB or so mSATA and run a VM on it, AstLinux only needs 1-2 GB RAM. Here is an example of running VMware on it, here the "S08" case is slightly taller to make room for an additional 2.5" SSD, same board as the "S07". Running ESXi on Qotom Q190G4N-S08 https://www.fredmerc.com/2017/03/running-esxi-on-qotom-q190g4n-s08/ Proxmox would probably work as well. Qotom recently released a QOTOM-Q355G4 i5-5250U appliance starting at $ 216 which would also make a good VM host. Lonnie On Apr 23, 2017, at 7:16 PM, David Kerr <da...@kerr.net> wrote: > Interesting. This can be bought with quite a lot of memory. Maybe it is > time to change the default runnix to support hi memory so we can get access > to it. There also seems to be a version without wifi antenna connections, > but strangely that is slightly more expensive. > > My APU2 is humming along quite nicely, but should it fail this looks like a > good replacement. Really interesting that it runs cooler and at lower power > consumption. > > David > > On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 8:30 AM, Lonnie Abelbeck <li...@lonnie.abelbeck.com> > wrote: > A newly released hardware description and configuration has been added to the > AstLinux documentation: > > Qotom Q190G4N-S07 Celeron J1900 Fanless Appliance > https://doc.astlinux-project.org/userdoc:board_qotom_q190g4n-s07 > > I personally purchased a barebone Q190G4N-S07 via Amazon direct from Qotom in > Hong Kong: > > Barebone 4 Lan J1900 Router Qotom-Q190G4N-S07 ... > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N645UJB/ > > Or also available worldwide via AliExpress: > > NEW Mini pc X86 4*Lan Qotom-Q190G4N with celeron J1900 quad core 4*usb VGA > firewall Multi-function router > https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NEW-Mini-pc-X86-4-Lan-Qotom-Q190G4N-with-celeron-J1900-quad-core-4-usb-VGA/32785346279.html > > The PC Engines APU2 runs AstLinux quite well, and offers a good comparison > with this Qotom. The Qotom and PC Engines APU2 are approximately the same > price for me ... > > Qotom-Q190G4N-S07 = $ 117.00 + $ 33.64 shipping (USD) > (2 GB RAM $ 15-20 and mSATA SSD extra) > > APU2c2 + case + power = $ 120.40 + $ 30.50 shipping (USD) > (mSATA SSD extra) > > The Q190G4N-S07 is about 2x the performance of the APU2, essentially same > power consumption, a first-class machined aluminum black case (idles 15 deg.C > cooler) vs. the APU2 sheet metal case, one extra NIC. Additionally, the Qotom > does not require any tedious assembly, simply add 4 rubber feet, RAM and > mSATA SSD by removing 4 screws. > > The APU2 has AES-NI support and soldered 2 GB RAM (pro and con since it is > not changeable), has a serial port and a piezo buzzer, the Qotom has neither. > The Qotom has a VGA console port. > > Physically the Qotom occupies only 75 % of the table area vs. the APU2, but > is quite heavy at 830 grams (1.8 lbs) per it's substantial aluminum case. > > I placed my order on a Friday, it shipped on the following Monday and I > signed for the package Wednesday noon. Quite amazing ! > > Note: Shipped via DHL which required a signature on delivery. > > Total system power at idle is only 5 Watts without a VGA connection. The > case is only barely warm to the touch. The CPU temperature is around 38-40 > deg.C at room temperature and idle. > > I performed a standard iperf test (client-iperf -> LAN-qotom-WAN -> > server-iperf), the qotom will route at Gb line speed (912 Mbps) at 90% idle > (via top). > > The OpenVPN test took 37.6 seconds, with a measured maximum OpenVPN > throughput of 125 Mbps. > -- > openvpn --genkey --secret /tmp/secret > time openvpn --test-crypto --secret /tmp/secret --verb 0 --tun-mtu 20000 > --cipher aes-256-cbc > -- > > The BIOS defaults to first boot off a USB drive, so install an mSATA SSD, > boot with a USB flash drive containing the bootable AstLinux Install ISO - > Generic x86-64bit (Video Console), then interacting via the VGA console > install to the mSATA SSD. > > Clearly there is no one best AstLinux hardware solution, but in my limited > testing, the Qotom Q190G4N-S07 is a great fit for AstLinux. > > The Qotom Q190G4N-S07 has run solidly for a few days, further updates as > needed. > > Lonnie > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Astlinux-users mailing list > Astlinux-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/astlinux-users > > Donations to support AstLinux are graciously accepted via PayPal to > pay...@krisk.org. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! > http://sdm.link/slashdot_______________________________________________ > Astlinux-users mailing list > Astlinux-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/astlinux-users > > Donations to support AstLinux are graciously accepted via PayPal to > pay...@krisk.org. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Astlinux-users mailing list Astlinux-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/astlinux-users Donations to support AstLinux are graciously accepted via PayPal to pay...@krisk.org.
