On Feb 26, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 08:08:31AM -0800, Galen wrote:
>> I'm trying to determine the differences in features of the various Atheros 
>> chipsets supported by ath9k. Please note, I have only chosen dual band parts 
>> with at least 2 spatial stream support, as the single band parts are 
>> generally subsets of the dual band parts and the <2 spatial stream parts are 
>> generally extremely value-oriented (or power oriented.)
>> 
>> Gen 1 - AR5008:
>> AR5416+AR5122 - 2x2 dual band, PCI
>> AR5416+AR5133 - 3x3 dual band, PCI
>> AR5418+AR5133 - 3x3 dual band, PCIe
>> 
>> Gen 2 - AR9001:
>> AR9160+AR9104 - 2x2 dual band, PCI
>> AR9160+AR9106 - 3x3 dual band, PCI
>> 
>> Gen 3 - AR9002:
>> AR9220 - 2x2, dual band, PCI
>> AR9280 - 2x2, dual band, PCIe
>> 
>> Did I miss any 2x2 or better 802.11n radios?
> 
> Yeah our AR9287 is 2x2 single band IIRC.
> There is also our USB 2x2 AR9170 but that uses
> a Zydas MAC and Atheros Radio. But hey the firmware
> is available as GPL and driver is upstream.
> 
> There is another USB 2x2 with Atheros MAC and Atheros
> Radio but not yet sure of the chipset name and if it
> ships. Think it might somewhere.
> 
>> Questions:
>> 
>> 1) What differences exist between the AR5133 and AR9106?
> 
> Beats me.
> 
>> If the AR9106 offers 3x3 with superior performance to the AR5008, why
>> didn't they ever offer any kind of PCIe option?
> 
> Not sure, but the answer to these sort of questions is usually demand.
> 
>> 2) What is the advantage of the AR9002 family over the AR9001
>> family? Obviously, the AR9002 is a single chip solution, likely
>> reducing cost, power and size.
>> 
>> But is there any improvement to radio functionality or other features?
> 
> Having a single chip itself yields a lot more benefits than that.
> Since things are closer together it also means less complexity on
> overall programming. You can tell where things got easier by looking
> at AR_SREV_9280_10_OR_LATER(ah) checks on the hardware code, I had
> documented some of this on phy.c.
> 
> Apart from that you also get radio and baseband enhancements,
> fixes, tunings, etc, the usual life of generation changes of
> chipsets for 802.11. I can't get into specifics as that would
> imply giving away the actual list of differences on each of
> the blocks, but to be honest I only look at that stuff when
> needed and that doesn't happen that often. I'm sure marketing
> would have glanced over that and put together docs about this
> with what is to be shared publicly.
> 
> If you have more questions you should work with our sales or
> marketing teams.
> 
>> Note, I am interested in 802.11n features supported, quality of
>> implementation, relative effective sensitivity, pretty much
>> everything on the radio / DSP / layer 1 angle of things. I am
>> curious as I want to be able to make the most appropriate
>> hardware choices, and frankly, testing these chipsets to try
>> and figure this out isn't the best way to do this based on
>> my experiences thus far...
> 
> I recommend the single chip families, and specificaly AR9280
> is a great candidate as its dual band and uses PCI-E. From a
> software perspective Atheros dedicates more of its own resources
> for testing our newer chipsets, the newer gernation 802.11n
> chipsets. The AR9001 didn't get formal testing but the AR9002
> did. Now its AR9002, in the near future it will be AR9003 and
> so on.

I think that AR9003 will really do a lot to unify things, as we will finally 
see 3x3 and a lot of new features and will put this whole discussion to rest! I 
can't wait for that day...

> 
> And that's the way the cookie crumbles.
> 
>  Luis

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