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> On 02/23/2018 10:43 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:16:46AM -0800, Jason Brooks wrote:
> >>> If we have a preferred non-manual way, we should encourage people to
> >>> use that, but I don't see what we lose from having good documentation
> >>> at a lower level too.
> >> That's totally awesome. Now someone needs to do that work. In the
> >> absence of that person, it's not dismissive to link them to a popular
> >> resource for manual installation.
> > 
> > Of course -- but what I mean is saying "You wanted to know how to do
> > Kubernetes on Fedora Atomic Host? Go do Kubernetes the hard way!"
> > doesn't come off as very friendly to someone who doesn't know that
> > "Learn ____ the hard way!" is a somewhat tongue-in-cheek meme. If
> > that's the best resource and we recommend it, let's recommend it with a
> > preface.
> Oh, I was planning to recommend Kubeadm.  Kubeadm is good enough for
> most users, these days, and it's actually a good way to test new
> Kubernetes releases.  And the Kubeadm team is enthusiastic enough to
> maybe offer us some help.
> My primary concern with making sure that Kube is available on FAH/CAH is
> that I want Kubernetes developers regarding AH as a reasonable target
> platform for development.  We also want to make sure not to abandon our
> existing AH+Kube users, but presumably installation docs are not the
> primary thing those users need.
> I wouldn't *mind* having a "the hard way" doc for FAH/CAH, but I can't
> commit to putting in the time it would require to write it, since I'm
> not sure who the target user for it is.  Someone who wants something
> "production" is going to install Origin, no?

I agree. I thought we should only document upstream Kubernetes on Atomic Host 
as a way to help people wanting to try Kubernetes, check out new features, or 
just learn what it is. Not for production. I also expected that we would 
encourage the use of Origin when they begin thinking about production.

I didn't want Ubuntu to be the only platform with good instructions for someone 
starting out with Kubernetes from kubernetes.io. If we can show them how to use 
Kubernetes on Atomic, it provides the added bonus of them being able to see the 
great features Atomic has as a container platform.

-- Chris Negus

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