Indeed the "is it an amp" question is purely technical and irrelevant to
the end user.  Even if it isn't, most people will call it an amp for
convenience if nothing else.  We've probably done that to death here. 
The interesting technical point is that there is no analog gain stage
in the unit.

regalma1;187696 Wrote: 
> The real question is, does it sound good. The reviews I have seen have
> varied. That makes sense as it is likely any class D unit is going to
> be very load sensitive, what with the smoothing capacitors and the high
> frequency filters on the output. I read a very extensive review of
> several high end class D amps in Stereophile. It was pretty apparent
> that how they are going to perform is dependent on the reactive element
> of the cables and speakers they are connected to. Opinions of the
> various reviewers in the article ranged all over the place.

The jury's still out in my case.  It's very hard to evaluate, and
utterly impossible for me to do it blind.  Transferring speaker cables
etc...  I'll plug in the Creek again in a week or two for a long-term
impression when I find some time and some patience for an evening of
swapping.

It's very clear to me that it has more resolution than my Creek amp
(4330, plus Epos ES12 speakers).  However, I haven't decided what I
think about the overall musical experience, particularly the tonal
balance.  The Creek is definitely warmer, even though I thought of it
as pretty neutral before.  I have to decide whether I feel like I was
mistaken, or the Panny is unnaturally thin.  It could be related to
difficulty driving the speakers' frequency-varying loads, with its
class D-like output stage, but that sort of speculation just
unhelpfully feeds back into the perception.

I feel the clarity really is showing up the quality of the source.  I
used some Elliott Smith for comparisons, and now my conclusion is that
his production values weren't great.  e.g. I thought some sibilants
were terrible, and blamed the amp, but then listened to other
recordings and there were no problems with sibilants.  (Which makes me
wonder whether a theoretical ultimate "transparent" system could
actually be a liability in the real world of imperfect recordings which
you still want to listen to?)

Surprisingly for anyone only passingly familiar with their ilk, I
listened to The Wedding Present's Seamonsters which, being mostly
heavily distorted guitars, doesn't seem like a candidate for critical
equipment listening.  However, it is and it really shone.  The
production is superb and there's minimal compression.  This can be
annoying if you hit a track on shuffle as some have a peak volume of
80% or so, much of it way below that, because the producer -didn't-
turn everything up to 11 and left headroom for tracks that should be
louder, to be louder.  I tried one track for a (blind) test to compare
FLAC to mp3 (lame -V1 VBR, avg ~240kbps), and the difference was
instantly and clearly apparent.  I expected to sit down and patiently
compare the two and slowly generate an opinion.  In the end I listened
to the first 3 notes (minimally distorted guitar) a couple of times
each and said, "this one is -definitely- the FLAC", and I was right. 
The texture and detail was clearly significantly superior, and it was
so obvious that I didn't see any point in trying other tracks.

Up until now, I mostly listened to mp3s (background listening, portable
player etc.), but sat down with a real CD in my Arcam player when I
wanted a treat.  I'd read on the likes of the HydrogenAudio site that
-V1 would probably be transparent, and only quickly compared it on a
pretty weak DAC (Stereolink USB DAC into the Creek) before.

So I have lots of experiments to do:  Try up to 320kbps CBR mp3s and
see whether I can distinguish them from FLAC...  Try the Creek again
after listening to the Panny for a while.  Try the same mp3 tests on
the Creek and see if it's so clear (ditto on my portable player)... 
Try out the bi-amping option on the Panny...


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