JezA;403598 Wrote: 
> The AES so-called experiment is utter tosh. 2 of the 3 SACD players used
> weren't true DSD machines for a kick-off,
> 

What do you mean?

For the record, six digital sources were used: a Pioneer DV-563A
universal player, a Sony XA777ES SACD model, a Yamaha DVD-S1500, a
Denon 2900 Universal Player with full PartsConnexion mods, and
unspecified hi-rez digital sources in two separate mastering
facilities.

>  many of the recordings were from 30+ year old analogue masters,
> 

Here's a partial list.  The reader can judge the veracity of your
statement for themselves.

Patricia Barber – Nightclub (Mobile Fidelity UDSACD 2004)
Chesky: Various -- An Introduction to SACD (SACD204)
Chesky: Various -- Super Audio Collection & Professional Test Disc
(CHDVD 171)
Stephen Hartke: Tituli/Cathedral in the Thrashing Rain; Hilliard
Ensemble/Crockett (ECM New Series 1861, cat. no. 476 1155, SACD)
Bach Concertos: Perahia et al; Sony SACD
Mozart Piano Concertos: Perahia, Sony SACD
Kimber Kable: Purity, an Inspirational Collection SACD T Minus 5 Vocal
Band, no cat. #
Tony Overwater: Op SACD (Turtle Records TRSA 0008)
McCoy Tyner Illuminati SACD (Telarc 63599)
Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon SACD (Capitol/EMI 82136)
Steely Dan, Gaucho, Geffen SACD
Alan Parsons, I, Robot DVD-A (Chesky CHDD 2003)
BSO, Saint-Saens, Organ Symphony SACD (RCA 82876-61387-2 RE1)
Carlos Heredia, Gypsy Flamenco SACD (Chesky SACD266)
Shakespeare in Song, Phoenix Bach Choir, Bruffy, SACD (Chandos CHSA
5031)
Livingston Taylor, Ink SACD (Chesky SACD253)
The Persuasions, The Persuasions Sing the Beatles, SACD (Chesky
SACD244)
Steely Dan, Two Against Nature, DVD-A (24,96) Giant Records 9 24719-9
McCoy Tyner with Stanley Clark and Al Foster, Telarc SACD 3488

> it would be hard to set a system up worse than the one in the picture -
> speakers wobbling on the floor,

Wow - you can see motion in a still photo!  No wonder you can hear
differences no one else can...

>  And yet apparently female subects managed to score 37.5% - a result so
> significantly worse than chance that the whole methodology has to be
> questioned.

On the contrary.  In such a large and thorough study, one expects to
find small subsets of data that exhibit mild anomalies like that. 
-Not- finding such things would be suspicious.

> 
> A reasonable conclusion is, though, that self-styled audiophiles are
> not very good at making musical judgements through fancy audiophile
> systems.
> 

A reasonable person can draw only one conclusion from that - that the
differences are inaudible.  If you wish to convince anyone of the
contrary, the burden of proof is fully on you.  And if you were right
that the differences are obvious, that proof would be -trivial-.  How
odd that it always fails to show up in controlled tests!


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