Phil Leigh;686269 Wrote: > Whatever it is you are hearing, it is neither measurable nor > understandable using conventional science.
Dear Phil. Bold statement. Did you become the speaker of the "conventional science" community!?!? ;) My view: I'm sure that every difference you can hear can be measured. Things would be just damned complex and costly. Nobody is willing or able to put that much effort into the subject. And if you finally measure you end up with a. highly questionable measurements (if 10 people measure you will get 10 different results) (measureing is an art of is own) (measurement equipment is driven close if not over its limits) (measurement equipment introduces its own flaws to the measurement) (ever compared measurements done in reviews and those done by manufacturers !?!? I bet, not a single measurement will look the same) b. highly questionable interpetations of measurements (if ten people interprete results, you'll get 10 different "opinions" about how these would sound exactly) ( I havn't seen any professional manufacturer who would develop and deliver equipment without listening to his devices, no they wouldn't trust their own measurements. These measurements first of all have to look good to please the marketing and those wannabe scientific folks.) c. many of those who do measure ( willing or able to spent time and money) do have their own agenda (usually commercial interests, or big egos) Not any audio equipment is sold based on scientific facts. They're sold based on some industrywide commonly agreed (questionable) specs - which seem to make them comparable. Of course there's crowd out there who buys by comparing specs. But that's the minority. People take buying decisions based on reviews and listenig tests. If you'd compare those specs, all devices should sound very similar. If there is a THD/N of -100db or -102db. What does is say about sound. Nothing!!!! Two amps can have the same specs and sound completely different. So what!?!? You as a scientific person would obviously buy the -102db model, even though it would sound crappier then the -100db device. I'd buy the -100db model because it sounds better and I know that these low levels are somewhat irrelevant anyhow. Look Phil. The whole thing is not black or white. Of course you need measurements. But you can't get rid of listening tests. Listening tests is the only thing everybody can do. High quality measurements can be done by a very very small group of people only and still wouldn't show you the soul of that piece of silicon and metal. And don't forget. At one point audio becomes a matter of taste. Never try to argue with people about taste. That won't work and most probably turns back on you. I find this 'Designers Speakout' (http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=insights&content_id=11&pagestring=Do+Measurements+Matter) a very interesting read. Enjoy. Cheers -- soundcheck ::: ' Touch Toolbox 3.0 and more' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com) ::: by soundcheck ------------------------------------------------------------------------ soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93236 _______________________________________________ audiophiles mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
