soundcheck;686432 Wrote: > Look Phil. > > I think you're kind of smart guy. > > But you seem to have a problem to get the message out of my posting. > > > > I'm not refering to my work btw. I couldn't care less. > Above post is kept generic. Though it pretty much shows the reason why > I wouldn't even try to start measurements on my own. > > The funny thing is all those experts and scientists around here > continue to scream for measurements. Non of them seems to be willing to > contribute anything. (Your diffmaker results are OK but wouldn't be > acceptable as a sales argument or a scientific base. The only one who > contributed measurements on HW mods was Caad in the TT2.0 thread. > Obviously he had access to reasonably good gear. ) > > However: > > As I said, I have a problem with the black and white game. > > And please: It's not really nice that you just copy 50% of my statement > and state we share a common view. I don't think we share a common view. > > You seem to continue trying to put people into the voodoo corner, > because they don't deliver measurements. I hoped that you would have at > least a look at my link references. I'd say I'd share my view with those > audio professionals, who are well aware of todays limitations. > > Especially you, should be a bit more careful by now. You tried to prove > your scientific view: "If you can't hear it, it's not there" with Audio > Diffmaker on TT2.0. I guess you were surprised to find out about a > different logic: > > If YOU can't hear a difference, it doesn't mean it's not there. > (Especially if other people report to hear a difference.) > If YOU can't hear a difference in your own environment, it doesn't mean > > it doesn't exist in a different environment. > > It's useless to try to get the issue solved in the virtual world. > > > Cheers
Klaus, for some reason we continue to have problems communicating - I don't know why. I didn't state anywhere that we "share a common view" - I said that I agree with what you wrote in your post that I quoted from. There's nothing "not really nice" about that. I'm not putting anyone in the "voodoo corner" because they don't deliver measurements - I don't EXPECT measurements from anyone. Also, I'm not saying everything is black or white. I also haven't had time to check out your links yet. All I'm saying is that when people say that they hear things it MIGHT be possible to back that up with some form of measurement. If this is possible then what they say is proven to be true. If it is not possible to measure a difference, then either: 1) the measurement process is inadequate or 2) what they believe they heard is not really there. I'm not saying which one is correct - because I have no way of knowing. However, plenty of other people seem to have no problem in deciding which is correct... I'm also perfectly happy that there are real differences that cannot be heard by some people or in some environments. ADM proves that absolutely - it can detect quite large differences that no human can detect in any environment! It's all very simple really. Let's forget about any measurements. If person A says "I changed X and it sounds different" and person B says "I changed X and it sounds no different"... who is correct? Can they both be correct? What do you think? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93236 _______________________________________________ audiophiles mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
