ralphpnj wrote: 
> Arny - what you will find (and are finding) around here is that the many
> us are trying to bring back some respect to the term "audiophile". As it
> now stands the term "audiophile", outside of audiophile circles, is one
> of derision and scorn,
> 

I've already found that Audiophile is a bad word in the real world of
professional audio where I have worked for years doing live sound and
live recording. 

While professional audio is not immune to snake oil (Monster has made
some inroads there) the simple need to get serious work done within a
dead line and within a budget has been a strong rationalizing
influence.

But if you compare a highly respected pro audio amp to a highly
respected end audio amp the difference is like night and day. Of course
they are hard to tell apart on the test bench or in a reliable listening
test.

> 
> For example, just about anyone with most basic understanding of how
> computers and digital data works knows that $500 USB cable is just a
> snake oil ripoff.
> 

Yup. I've been an audiophile for over 55 years, in IT for over 50 years
and in the PC world for over 30 years, and I've been waiting for
audiophile-style floobydust to hit the PC world. It finally happened.
The delay was no doubt to the same resistance factors that are in the
pro audio world. 

> 
> What you are seeing now is just another attempt of the gullible
> audiophiles to reclaim this section.
> 

Yup, they are like the Gnostics of the ancient religious world. They
have been mislead to believe that they have special hidden knowledge.
But people who really know what is going on know that they are badly
mislead by false teachings. Today the descendants of Gnosticism are
dying niche cult religions.

> 
> However that will not happen since so many of us have worked so hard to
> make this section a small beacon of light in the audiophile darkness.
> 

Keep up the good work!

> 
> Despite all the evidence that has been presented to them over and over
> and over again they still chose to believe their clay footed gods of
> high end audio, much like the fanboy cult that surrounds the world of
> Apple.
> 

As you may have gathered some of the people I've been trying to work
with over here lately are not exactly unknown to me.

Once upon a time I spent a lot time with Placebophiles over on Usenet's
rec.audio. opinion and got worked over pretty seriously by them - they
even tried to pull a Swatting on me. 

Being a Placebophile must be really frustrating because there seems to
be a lot of pent up anger.

> 
> Perhaps I'll get bored one day and post a short manifesto outlining some
> of the things needed to make the term "audiophile" once again mean
> something other a fool.
> 

AFAIK Placebophilia can't be cured in some people except by the grim
reaper.  BTW, did you know that Tom Nousaine was once a Placebophile? 
So, cures are possible!


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