RonM wrote: > The problem, of course, is about the very subjectivity you want to talk > about. As anyone with the slightest knowledge about perception and > conclusions knows, direct reported experience can be one of the worst > ways of getting to truth. > > It's why "eyewitness" testimony in courts almost always needs to defer > to actual measurements and physical evidence. Multiple witnesses to the > same event can have completely different perceptions of what actually > happened, even while convinced that what they saw (and heard) is > accurate. They report their "truth" as accurately as they can, but this > "truth" is as often as not simply not really true. > > This goes in spades for contexts where there is gain or benefit to some > party, and observations/perceptions can be shaped through social > influence -- like having one's perceptions taken as serious and valid by > others with similar interests. In the absence of grounding outside of > "subjective judgment", these kinds of discussions are nothing more than > ramblings. I was going to use another phrase including the word > "circle", but that would be rude. > > If we're going to talk about subjective experience as a valid approach > to getting at what's true, we need to make sure that all the relevant > variables are controlled. This means blind judgments, and all of the > kinds of things that are discussed above. > > R.
Talking about perception is never a problem with normal people. People talk about food at restaurants, movies, books, vacation spots etc. all the time.....no measurement data needed, only perceptional views. The moment you people bring up measurements you sound ridiculous. Imagine people using your logic for the aforementioned topics. Joe: You know I really like Sam's Burgers, they taste so good and they fill me up too, I can hardly even eat one. Unlike Smith's burgers, they seem greasy and make me feel bad. Mark: What?!?!?! What kind of measurement data do you have that proves Sam's meat is any different than Smith's meat? In fact the buns are the same too, flour, eggs, yeast etc. All this Sam's burgers, Smith's burgers crap is crazy. You make assumptions but have no real data to back it up!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ edwardthern's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66099 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106575 _______________________________________________ audiophiles mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
