darrenyeats wrote: 
> I agree.
> 
> I know what you mean. Reasonableness doesn't work against certain kinds
> of ignorance.
> 
> But when people seem to act stupidly, often there is a reason for it
> that is not stupid at all. Trump voters vote for Trump for a complex set
> of reasons. For example, some are left behind economically - and many in
> the middle US view comparatively diminished income as a sign of
> disrespect of their work and contribution to society. That is hurtful,
> and there are limited lawful ways to express that hurt in a substantial
> way - one of them being voting in an election.
> 
> It is emotional, but emotions are important. Remember none of the cars,
> houses, hi-fis, roads, planes, atom smashers or smart phones would have
> any meaning at all if humans disappeared overnight. Objects only have
> meaning in context, the context of humans being present.
> 
> I would have voted Hilary, and I voted Remain, but I'm worried about
> polarisation in society.

There is a very big difference between ignorance (voters, the buying
audiophile public) and outright lying (the politicians, the media,
manufacturers).  No amount of gentle persuasion is going to stop the
liars from lying because there is money and power involved. Sure a
little education may change the minds of some of the ignorant but the
liars will NEVER yield.

I realize that promoting a worthless $500 USB cable is not the same
lying about "clean" coal but it is nonetheless the actions are cut from
the same cloth.



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