Thanks for sending it along, Dae. -AT
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Kessia 'even' Pinheiro <kessiapinhe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I had that problem too, i asked for something in #vim channel and they > only ridicularize vim package from Arch. I tried talk with Tobias > about the vim upgrade for support ruby1.9, but he are so far from fix > it, looking for problems which isnt important, in my vision. VI > package are with 65 patch, unless the oficial project are with more > than 100! I think it's a problem from arch package, but we need know > why it's so problematic for vim users dont like the package layout. > > thanks > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Andrei Thorp <gar...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hello, fellow Archers. >> >> Recently, I had a question about Vim, so I went to the #vim channel in >> IRC. I was doing something >> that should be working, but it wasn't. Surprisingly, the question came >> up, "Are you on Arch?" >> >> Turns out that several of the peolpe I most respect in the #vim IRC >> channel are very unhappy with the quality of Arch's Vim package. One >> even (jokingly?) asked if they could officially not support Arch in >> the channel, which I found somewhat alarming. I suggested that we >> should instead help improve the Arch package. >> >> I hate to pick on people, but according to the generally kind folks on >> IRC, the Vim package for Arch has quite a few issues, and the >> maintainer hasn't addressed some outstanding bugs in quite a long >> while. >> >> As some of you may know, James Vega (jamessan) is an outstanding Vim >> user and the Debian package maintainer for Vim. I asked him to send me >> what he saw as the problems with the Arch package, and he was kind >> enough to send along some suggestions. They are attached in this >> forward. >> >> Thank you, >> >> -Andrei Thorp >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: James Vega <james...@debian.org> >> Date: Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:29 AM >> Subject: Arch's Vim failings >> To: gar...@gmail.com >> >> >> Andrei, >> >> Thanks for being receptive to trying to address the issues in Arch's Vim >> packaging. Below are the major points that stand out. >> >> 1) gvim package: Shipping an /etc/gvimrc which, due to the order that >> Vim loads rc files, overrides any settings in the user's ~/.vimrc. >> Considering that some users make the conscious decision to keep all >> their settings in their ~/.vimrc instead of using both ~/.vimrc and >> ~/.gvimrc, this is at the very least annoying. More in depth >> discussion is contained in the nearly year old, unfixed bug[0] about >> this issue. >> >> 2) vi package: The package is built such that the resulting vi binary >> reads its config from the completely non-standard ~/.virc. >> Presumably this is to allow different configurations for the >> different feature-sets avaiable in vi vs. vim packages. Fortunately, >> Vim has methods to deal with this already such as being able to check >> what name was used to invoke Vim[1] and explicitly checking for >> feature support[2]. >> >> 3) vi, vim, and gvim packages: Explicitly building Vim with $VIMRUNTIME >> == $VIM by specifying "--with-global-runtime=/usr/share/vim" to >> configure. This doesn't need to be specified to configure as it will >> be set to the correct directory on its own. If they insist on >> specifying it, the directory should be /usr/share/vim/vimXY (where XY >> is Vim's version number -- 72 for current Vim). >> >> This manifests various problems, the most noticeable being that the >> 'runtimepath' option in Vim has /usr/share/vim listed twice, thus >> causing runtime files to be sourced twice and causing duplicate >> information when using common scripting methods for discovering files >> in the runtimepath[3]. >> >> -- >> James >> GPG Key: 1024D/61326D40 2003-09-02 James Vega <james...@debian.org> >> >> [0] - http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/10303 >> [1] - if v:progname == 'vi' >> [2] - if has('cscope') >> [3] - globpath(&rtp, 'colors/*') >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAknB5lcACgkQDb3UpmEybUCg6ACgjRFE4YnrbEGMq8uY51CZqRis >> xZsAnjbOC4BsAv/hYG9hcfmbogJLdLtX >> =HJf3 >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > > > > -- > Kessia Pinheiro > Computer Science Student - Brazil, UFBa > Linux System Administrator > Arch Linux Trusted User > Linux User #389695 > http://even.archlinux-br.org > --- > X Fórum Internacional Software Livre - fisl10 > 24 a 27 de junho de 2009 > PUCRS - Porto Alegre - Brasil >