Excerpts from Heiko Baums's message of 2010-11-16 15:02:19 +0100: > Am Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:27:50 +0800 > schrieb Ng Oon-Ee <[email protected]>: > > > I thought this idea of Heiko's was a great idea, myself. In a fit of > > inspiration, here's a suggestion. This would be placed after the last > > sentence of the 2nd paragraph in the 3-paragraph description. > > > > "This community involvement allows developers to focus on what's most > > important to them in the knowledge that the community will provide > > high quality packages for everything else." > > Maybe there should be added that Arch Linux is only a distro from its > devs for its devs and not from the community for the community. > > I wish you wouldn't add such a paragraph. Instead the ignorance of some > devs should be removed. That was the better way. > > > And Heiko, I'm not sure why you're making a big fuss over these > > packages. Its not even much harder to work from the AUR. Comparisons > > to Gentoo are ridiculous. I've got 75 packages from the AUR > > currently, and I don't spend hours a day compiling. The longest > > package to compile is probably samba4 at 20 minutes, followed by the > > kernel at 10 minutes (optimized), everything else tops out at 1-2 > > minutes. Go have a cup of coffee, and consider the difference to the > > hours and hours you'd have spent compiling world on Gentoo. > > I already used Gentoo for 6 years. So I know what that compiling means. > That's why I was looking for a binary distro in the style of Gentoo. > That's why I came to Arch Linux 3 or 4 years ago. > > And the more small packages need to be compiled from AUR the more time > it takes compiling them. Many a little makes a mickle.
It's not at all about compile times IMHO but about the effort necessary to keeping source packages up-to-date. Doing this manually would be a major PITA for even a relatively small number of packages. AUR helpers like slurpy help a bit, but the required effort is still significantly higher than with binary packages. How much effort it requires depends IMHO almost entirely on the number of packages. JFYI I currently maintain 89 AUR packages and have probably about 180 AUR packages from other maintainers installed. There is does mean effort, believe me or not. > My main problems are this mass cleanup and the ignorant responses I get > from some devs to such remarks or to some bug reports etc. > > That's why I make such a fuss. > > Heiko >
