On 17 October 2012 02:05, Yichao Yu <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Yichao Yu <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Rashif Ray Rahman <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> On 17 October 2012 00:55, Allen Li <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I would like to point out that ibus does Japanese and Korean, whereas >>>> fcitx only does simplified Chinese (at least according to the wiki). >>>> Thus ibus is one of the only input options for those languages on arch >>>> at the moment (barring that other one whose name I'm having trouble >>>> recalling at the moment, which I found inferior to ibus), so dropping it >>>> is extremely unfavorable I think. >>>> >>>> Just my two cents. >>>> >>>> Allen Li >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 05:30:30PM +0200, Alexander Rødseth wrote: >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ibus is used for keyboard input for a few major non-English languages. >>>>> >>>>> Several of the ibus packages has been unmaintained for a while now: >>>>> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&repo=Community&q=ibus&maintainer=orphan >>>>> For instance, ibus-sunpinyin, was last updated almost a year ago >>>>> (2011-10-02). >>>>> >>>>> These ibus-packages have survived at least one package-cleanup, being >>>>> neither adopted nor moved. >>>>> While there is interest amongst the trusted users to maintain these, >>>>> none of the trusted users are currently using ibus. >>>>> >>>>> After visiting #archlinux-cn, a couple of friendly people expressed >>>>> interest in maintaining the ibus packages, but they had only few >>>>> packages on AUR to show for. >>>>> I also learned that mostly, fcitx (currently in [extra], is used >>>>> instead of ibus). Dropping ibus could have been an option, but I also >>>>> heard rumors that ibus will be a dependency of gnome-settings-daemon. >>>>> >>>>> There is also a canidate for asking to maintain the ibus packages, >>>>> that has not yet been contacted, but which already maintains several >>>>> related packages on AUR: >>>>> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?K=yangtsesu&SeB=m >>>>> >>>>> If you think that his packages look ok, my plan is to contact >>>>> yangtsesu and ask if he wants to maintain the ibus packages in >>>>> [community] (and thus becoming a TU). >>>>> >>>>> If you know of other canidates that have a comparable selection of >>>>> relevant AUR packages, please let us know who they are. >>>>> >>>>> Please correct me if any of the above is incorrect or let us know if >>>>> you have additional information. >>>>> >>>>> Sounds like a plan? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Cordially, >>>>> Alexander Rødseth >>>>> Arch Linux Trusted User >>>>> (xyproto on IRC, trontonic on AUR) >>> >>> Also, fcitx looks very CJK-specific to me, whereas ibus is a >>> multilingual input bus (think SCIM). So, not really directly >>> comparable. I'm all for finding someone to maintain the stuff, be it >>> in the repos or AUR. >> >> No, fcitx is also not cjk-specific at all. There is fcitx-keyboard >> (which is already merged into fcitx itself) that you can use keyboard >> layout as input method to input all languages that just need a layout >> switching. It also has spell check/hint(as you can see on the fcitx >> wiki main page..) which ibus cannot provide. Here[1] is also a list of >> input method fcitx support now (basically covers all major input >> method ibus supports). Yes most of them are Chinese input method but >> that's because Chinese input method is the single most complicated >> one..... (also true for ibus). >> >> Yes the original name of fcitx suggest it is a Chinese input method >> but it is not anymore now.... >> >> And no, I am not talking about dropping ibus packages (taking into >> account the *stupid* thing gnome3.6 have been doing on input method >> integration, it might not be a good idea to move those into AUR >> either..). Just want to clarify that fcitx is not CJK specific (in >> fact it provides more non-CJK specific features than ibus and scim >> now, e.g. spell, clipboard, lua, xkb, quickphrase etc...) and want to >> encourage people to try fcitx for its handful features even for >> non-CJK ppl. >> >> [1] http://fcitx-im.org/wiki/Distribution_Package_Status >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> GPG/PGP ID: C0711BF1 > > Just a little bit more noise about fcitx and ibus packages. > > Among those fcitx package in AUR, either fcitx-configtool or kcm-fcitx > is already a implicit dependency of fcitx (depending on the DE u r > using) since editing the configure file is no longer supported. > fcitx-sunpinyin and fcitx-cloudpinyin are also installed by most > Chinese fcitx users so it will be really nice to see these package > (along with Japanese and Korean ones) in the official repo (which I am > sure Felix Yan can be a good maintainer). > > For ibus packages, it is also not a good idea to drop any of the > existing ibus input methods which is already in the official repo. All > of them are required package if you want to use ibus to input in those > languages. (Since the upstream of most of the packages is not really > active, it shouldn't be hard either.)
Thanks, that makes things clearer. Either way it looks like we do need someone to take care of these things (who should also have an up-to-date knowledge about the stuff like what you have demonstrated). -- GPG/PGP ID: C0711BF1
