The turbine airliners already have TCAS.

If you have a Mode C transponder you will show up even if not in ground based radar coverage as the TCAS will trigger your transponder.

If you are in these areas where airliners are operating in Class G it would be a good idea to fit a transponder. Make sure it is a Mode S that is ADSB ready. I've no commercial interest in Trig but their transponder seems to be a good one.

It was interesting flying in to Wellcamp yesterday afternoon in the Dash 8 from Sydney. There could easily have been gliders around as the day was quite good and we arrived at 1525 local. Also interesting was flying straight over Pittsworth to intercept the instrument

arrival procedure from the west. The airliners aren't necessarily going to be right in the proximity of the airfield at lowish altitudes( we were well below cloudbase at this time) and it is a good idea to become familiar with the approach and departure paths the airliners are

likely to take.

I briefed the then GFA President about this and ADSB around 2 1/2 years ago suggesting that it be recommended strongly that gliders flying in certain areas fit Mode S transponders in new installations (they also do Mode C) so as to be visible on TCAS currently and be

ADSB ready in the future. I got some blather about how the bloke with the $4000 K6 wasn't going to do this.

Mike





At 09:06 AM 3/1/2016, you wrote:
Here is the ATSB log entry:
<http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2016/aair/ao-2016-015/>http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2016/aair/ao-2016-015/
With map.

At the time when Mark made the offer to REX only ozFlarm/miniOz was available - not TSO'd; most likely the reason why REX et al "didn't take them on board". Now it falls back to someone to lobby Power Flarm. Should the GFA's airspace delegates be part of that?

And for the near miss:
Glider:
Would be nice to know what frequency the glider had dialed in. Was the pilot monitoring the area frequency / local CTAF? Dual watch radio? (if not, why not?)

SAAB:
Not really best practice but: there are some pilots that reckon a radio call is all that is required to maintain safe separation.(good reason to monitor CTAF / AERA when flying a glider). Operating IFR in class G and E. Not looking out in VFR conditions: not a good idea?! What was each SAAB pilot doing? Was one updating Twitter/Facebook instead of keeping a lookout?
Did the glider appear just like that famous mountain goat in the clouds?

There is too much ambiguity in regards to what the current belief is in regards to radio procedures for recreational flyers - that includes gliders. There is a big problem with aircraft operating IFR in Class G (and operating in Class E without transponder).

Would be nice to get all this sorted out without further endangerment to life.
The glider will most likely have a IGC trace; will we be able to look at the glider and SAAB trace? Lucky for everyone: no one got hurt. Lucky for us: the outcome of this investigation should be open to the public. We could learn from this..

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Richard Frawley <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: a good reason for all gliders operating close to RPT airports to have ADSB feed into the flarm display.

This is low cost insurance to avoid perhaps less than accurate and somewhat potentially over amplified reporting if nothing else.

ADSB traffic due to its much higher transmission power can be readily seen from >50km away.

I agree with Mark, all REX and other RPT aircraft operating from ‘country airstrips’ should be fitted with Powerflarm. I suspect, there are now very few cross country gliders now that are not fitted with Flarm.

At least if we take the steps to be able to see them, we can been seen as proactive in that regard, which could force REX to also take action as Mark suggests.



On 1 Mar 2016, at 7:31 AM, Christopher McDonnell <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:

<https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/rex-saab-340-in-near-miss-with-glider-422487/>https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/rex-saab-340-in-near-miss-with-glider-422487/
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