Thankyou so much Damien.
Regards Chris

From: dam...@quietflight.com.au 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:03 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Waikerie

Hi Chris
My sincere condolences on your sad loss. A loss both to your family and the 
gliding folk at Waikerie where he contributed so much for so many years in his 
characteristic capable and considerate manner. 
Regards
Damien O'Reilly

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On 30 Nov 2016, at 9:04 AM, John Hudson <hud...@senet.com.au> wrote:


  Hello Chris,

   

  I am truly sorry to hear of Grahams passing. My sincere condolences to you 
and the family.

  I enjoyed Grahams for many years at gliding events particularly at 
Blanchetown.

   

  John Hudson.

   

   


   

  From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf 
Of graham marsh
  Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 9:15 AM
  To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
  Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Waikerie

   

  Hi Mike

  This is Chris Marsh Graham’s wife.

  I have some really bad news Graham passed away peacefully on Thuesday morning.

  I didn’t now if any one from gliding new.

   

  Also if at some stage you can contact me to collect items from the gliding 
federation.

  I had asked Graham many time over the last couple of months to organise it 
but he was just to sick to be bothered.

   

  Thankyou Chris

   

  From: Mike Borgelt 

  Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 9:08 AM

  To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 

  Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Waikerie

   

  At 06:11 PM 11/14/2016, you wrote:



  I compete at the very lowest level.  But that is still a lot more that Mike 
Borgelt (these days).



  Actually I go to a useful sampling of briefings by visiting contests nowadays.




  My 2cents worth is that there might be something to be learned at the daily 
briefing.  A lot of pilots have already looked at the linked web sites but 
they still turn up.



  Because they are required to.





  Another benefit is that everyone has been briefed (assuming they attend the 
daily briefing).


  Who cares? If you rock up at the wrong runway you won't get launched. The 
rest is the personal responsibility of the pilot in command to be adequately 
briefed for the flight. It is even a Regulation i.e law of the land.






  Thirdly there is often operational information (duty runway, landing 
instructions, commercial traffic etc, which is delivered at the daily briefing)Â



  All of which can be delivered by email or website. We aren't talking about 
eliminating the briefing, just the method of delivery.

  As for safety briefings, you'll be given the NOTAMS and official Area 
forecast and it is a simple matter to include a NOTAM like few sentences on any 
safety issues. At least then they are easy to reference at any time.

  The rest of civil aviation self briefs and files flight plans via internet. I 
saw a disastrous long briefing 5 years ago at a contest where what to do after 
finishing turned into the most confusing advice possible. Fortunately nobody 
got hurt but the advised procedures were highly dangerous and it betrayed the 
fact that the briefer had no idea of the legal obligations of pilots.

  The daily briefing is exactly the wrong place for pilots to raise safety 
issues. I've seen that degenerate quickly into acrimony and confusion at 
briefings all too often. If you have one as a result of yesterday you should 
have gone to the organisers after flying so they can make a considered response 
the next day. You email in your IGC file, just email in a short missive on your 
safety concern.

  Way back when I started contest flying (1969) there was really no alternative 
to a daily physical presence briefing. Typewriters and hand writing were the 
only way get a hard copy of any information and I don't remember seeing any 
typewriters at contests. The organisers would transfer what they got to a 
blackboard and pilots would be told it and copy down the task and any other 
information and prepare their paper maps.

  Once computers and cheap printers and copying became available physical 
briefing could have been replaced by a printed A4 sheet to be picked up at a 
specified time. With the advent of tablet computers and laptops you can 
eliminate the printed paper.

  Physically going to briefing is disruptive to your glider preparation and 
there is a fatigue issue anyway in long contests. You can work around the 
preparation issue but what happens when something goes wrong with either your 
glider or your car?

  Lastly, it is a recurring question here - what is happening at xxxx at the 
contest. By publishing the daily brief on the net it is available to all who 
may be interested just as soon as the pilots get it. We do want publicity even 
amongst glider pilots don't we?

  I hear the VSA State contest at Ararat has been cancelled due lack of 
interest. Only 23 Australians flew yesterday at Waikerie at the Club/Sports 
Nationals.


  Mike







  On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 4:08 PM, james dutschke 
<mailto:james.m.dutsc...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Mike,

  Due to the importance of the safety aspect of a daily briefing at a comp I 
think it may be unwise to go fully electronic for the daily brief. There is a 
certain amount of presence and weighting that can only be achieved via face to 
face contact. Not that Im regular a comp pilot but I don't think id like to 
see the morning brief go entirely. Perhaps components like the weather could 
be slimmer with readily available tools, like Matthew Scutters amazing weather 
forecasting program,(https://skysight.io/). WPP's winning videos on Facebook 
are way too entertaining to miss anyways.

  My 0.5c - with a shameless plug included for free.

  James.

  On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Mike Borgelt 
<mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> wrote:

  Matt, 

  My sister teaches online courses in English as Second Language. Maybe you 
should take one?

  Seriously, the morning briefing disrupts the preparation of the glider for 
the day and turns what is usually a long day into a longer one. 

  The organisers must prepare the material anyway which largely, as far as 
weather is concerned, is simply a bunch of links to various websites.

  A simple summary of why the particular task has been set and the actual task 
description plus any safety considerations/social notices  can be simply put 
on a website and the time this will happen be notified. An email list could 
even be created so people are notified (or a text message sent).

  This then serves the double purpose of notifying the contestants and anyone 
else interested and saves everyone's time. All forms of aviation including 
gliding are now heavily internet based so I'm not sure what he physical 
presence of everyone in one place every day (probably still want an initial 
brief on the practice day), before flying, achieves.

  Social activities can still be around the bar after flying, including awards 
for daily wins.

  Mike




  At 01:17 PM 11/12/2016, you wrote:



  Mike,

  nice of you to volunteer to handle publishing tasks and info for the comp.



  Or you could look here - https://www.livetrack24.com/events/waik2016

  No idea if they are actually flying though.





  On 12 Nov 2016, at 12:32 , Mike Borgelt 
<mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> wrote:

  Dunno, but maybe they ought to give up on physically getting together for 
briefing and simply post the required information on a webpage. That way 
everyone can know what is happening.

  Mike

  At 11:00 AM 11/12/2016, you wrote:



  what are they doing TODAY??

  ron

  On 12 November 2016 at 11:57, Mike Borgelt 
<mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> wrote: 

  Anthony, 

  The storms weren't just through Adelaide. Quite extensive areas through the 
Riverland. 

  Mike 

  At 10:17 AM 11/12/2016, you wrote: 

  As far as I know gliders were derigged and in trailers or hangars.  The 
storm came from the NW and continued to the SE, so Waikerie did not see the 
same storm as Adelaide. 

  Â 

  I was at Elizabeth and we only had relatively small hail except at the end of 
the storm where I heard a couple of big hail stones shattering on the roof. 
Enough for me to put some neoprene sheet over the car in the hope that it would 
soften the impacts. 

  Â 

  Justine was at home and collected a sample of the hailstones that hit 
Adelaide – much larger.  See attached. 

  Â 

  Anthony 

  Â 

  From: Aus-soaring [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf 
Of Mike Borgelt 

  Sent: Saturday, 12 November 2016 10:19 AM 

  To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
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  Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Waikerie 

  Â 

  Anyone know what happened at Waikerie yesterday. Pretty bad TSs went through 
SA yesterday. 

  Mike




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