---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ron Sanders <[email protected]> Date: 2 December 2017 at 17:53 Subject: Re: [gfaforum] 1000 K triangles To: terrycubley <[email protected]>
Yep Terry, Micabil and the nats in WA where the last day's films were never developed!!! Sure, A point is a point, but i dont think i would get many disagree-ers that a point on thursday should be the same as a point on friday Other wise you can not even begin to say so and so lost by 6 points But which ones thursdays or fridays?? My question is sound the rebuttals are not. Thank God Thor is still around, but i wonder does anybody listen to him?? ron ron On 2 December 2017 at 17:36, terrycubley <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Ron. Some interesting comments. > > Ingo was second at Waikerie in 1974, made a great story - Zulu Romeo good > start. > > Modern comps have made sure there is no longer any chance of a draw. All > podium places are decided by a countback of day places - would be an > interesting task to reciew the day placings to see how Ingo would have gone. > > I disagree about the value of points. A point is a point no matter how you > get it, or lose it. Some are much harder to earn but are still a point. Tom > Beltz lost the Hobbs worlds by something like 6 points having received a 10 > point penalty for a naughty finish. > > Wally Wallington tried a place scoring system in the 70s (?) But it didnt > get a lot of support and was dropped. The Grand Prix is place scoring and > is popular, except if you end up with zero for the whole comp. > > I suspect some nostalgia about maps and cameras. Remenber Micabil? And > people staying up all night to verify? And not putting a film in your > camera? But there has been a loss of navigation skills. > > Tor Johansen is still around. Goes to the IGC meeting every now and again. > > Terry > > > Sent from my Samsung GALAXY S5 Mini on the Telstra Mobile Network > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Ron Sanders <[email protected]> > Date: 2/12/2017 4:59 PM (GMT+10:00) > To: Justin Couch <[email protected]>, Gliding Australia Forum < > [email protected]>, "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring > in Australia." <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [gfaforum] 1000 K triangles > > Ingo competed in thirteen. As you say won four, and lost into second place > at Wiener Neustadt by some stupidly small number of points. If one did a > rigorous "uncertainty" or "error analysis" on the procedures in place at > that time there is no way you can under any rigorous mathematical process > ensure that with even 75% probability that Ingo was actually beaten. As far > as i am concerned he won four and was a draw for first place at Wiener > Neustadt. The scoring system then and now is a load of shit. The simplest > thing is that is to understand that we add up the points to score the > winner and yet a point scored on Wednesday is not the same value as a point > score on Thursday you all aware of that??? Ergo it is all shit. > Bill Anderson of the GCV had a really good system many many years ago, did > not catch on, due to general ignorance. > > Does any of our up and coming newbys, even the top ones know, anything > about Thor Johansen's proposal from thirty years ago Regards scoring?? > EH?? who is he???? At least he is still alive I think > > George won three, but the big difference is ----- in Open class, in a row > and without practise!!!!!!! unless flying a along the border of east > Germany in an F4 Phantom constitutes practise for Paderborn. And what about > the day that he was the only finisher and the majority of the pilots were > pissed off at the over set task and complained to the organisers?? At the > next briefing the (French? ) comp director said regards the complaints > that----- they were there to determine the WORLD champion, the task was set > and was possible as proven!!!! go jump!!!!! By the way George has said that > it was the skinniest final glide he has ever done!!!! > > yes time moves on, but do we learn anything?? AAT tasks = what a load of > shit!!! I want maps, cameras and no gps!! Am i getting bites??? > > Ron > > On 2 December 2017 at 16:33, Justin Couch <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 2/12/2017 4:30 PM, Ron Sanders wrote: >> >>> Come on guys!!! a few words on the internet does not need this level of >>> aggro or holier than thou or what ever. >>> >>> I am only asking these questions for fun. >>> >>> I sometime wonder if the new youngsters are aware of the records and >>> achievements that older Australian glider pilots have made in the past. >>> >> >> Yup. Loss of corporate history is a real thing, and these are good ways >> of help people understand where we come from. GFA trivial night in the >> virtual world. >> >> Next question----- How many world comps did Ingo win?? How many did he >>> attend?? >>> >> >> He won 4. Don't know how many he's attended. It would have to be in >> double figures (assuming "attending" means competing in, rather than >> showing up for a dinner and a chat as a guest). >> >> How many did our other New Australian George Lee win, attend? >>> >> >> Pass! >> >> -- >> Justin >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Gliding Australia Forum" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send an email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/a/gl >> idingaustralia.org/group/gfaforum/. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Gliding Australia Forum" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/a/gl > idingaustralia.org/group/gfaforum/. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Gliding Australia Forum" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/a/gl > idingaustralia.org/group/gfaforum/. >
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