If you're going to do all of this you should also feed in the GPS and charge for
height gain. In fact if you average more than 5 knots you're enjoying yourself too
much and should be charged double ;-)
Redmond
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----- Original Message -----
From: Armistead, Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, 20 April 2001 10:49
Subject: RE: [aus-soaring] Computerised club flight log system suitable fo rpie-cart
operations ?
> Ah, come on Jason, why go halfway with this? Let's get rid of ALL the paper.
>
> What you really need is each club member to have a magnetically coded photo
> ID card, a reader in each aircraft, an airswitch, GPS and a transponder
> fitted. Then you can jump in the glider (or tug), wave your ID past the
> reader, and at the end of the flight the glider/tug will transmit all the
> details - time, launch height, duration and pilot - back to the Club
> computer, update the necessary logs for yourself and the glider, and take
> the cost of the flight from your bank account and credit it to the Club's
> account. Wave your card past the reader again at the end of the flight and
> it will update your flight currency and endorsement status.
>
> If you try and fly a glider you're not qualified on, or you're out of
> currency, or you are due for a check then an alarm and flashing light will
> sound, and the tow hook will refuse to open and let you get a launch.
>
> If you are approaching the balance of your bank account, a buzzer gives you
> 15 minutes warning and then the brakes deploy.
>
> This system would also solve the Secretary's problem of collating annual
> statistics for GFA - all automatically sorted and electronically
> transmitted.
>
> Gotta think outside the square...
>
> Allan Armistead
> Roads, Land Transport
> (02) 6274 7315
>
> "When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your eyes
> turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always be."
> Leonardo da Vinci, 1452-1519.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Boulter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, 20 April 2001 10:03
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Computerised club flight log system
> suitablefor pie-cart operations ?
>
>
> The one I wrote for Camps is good for on the field. But it is not the app it
> is the laptop,trg of users etc is the problem. Good old paper is as good as
> anything sometimes.
>
> /daveb
>
> Derek Ruddock wrote:
>
> > Actually Jason, the system we use was built specifically to replicate the
> paper log system, and to enable use at the launch site if required.
> > There would be no problem with using it at the launch site other than the
> ones we decided were
> > overwhelming, such as security & the lack of power.
> >
> > In addition, it does have the facility to produce reports such as
> > Tug usage
> > Instructors hours
> > Accounts for members
> > The fact that we choose not to avail ourselves of these facilities is
> another issue.
> >
> > If we had 'office people' I daresay we would also have someone to enter
> the logsheets at the end of each day: are you offering to volunteer? 8)
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/04/01 0:15:19 >>>
> > Hi all
> >
> > Does anyone have any good ideas about any computerised club flight log
> systems that would be suitable for pie-cart operations ?
> >
> > The basic criteria would have to be:
> >
> > A. Easy to use (especially in a large club where anyone could be called on
> to "run the log")
> > B. Low cost - obviously a $5000 notebook PC + $1000 of software loaded is
> hardly an ideal solution
> > C. Reliable - able to take some bouncing around from end-changes, long
> battery life, line-by-line printout of transactions in case of system
> failure (so that no data is lost)
> > D. Maintainable - easy for the Club to change the membership list, a/c
> hire rates, tug rates, etc.
> > E. Portable - able to operate off solar charged 12VDC system or
> re-chargeable battery that can be charged overnight using the mains in the
> clubhouse
> >
> > My initial thoughts would be that
> >
> > (a) custom hardware is OUT
> > (b) a PC of no more than 286 performance should be able to do the job (a
> PC/104 style PC might be OK)
> > (c) a laptop / notebook with LCD screen (even B/W) should be ample
> > (d) laptop batteries generally last much less than an 8-10 hour flying
> day, so connection to a solar charged pie cart 12V car/truck battery *might*
> get by depending on the charge rate and current drawn by the PC
> > (e) Windows is a CPU power hog and contains lots of features that are
> "surplus to requirements", but it is widely available and easy to program -
> a DOS-based system should suffice.
> > (f) hard disks are a liability and flash ROM disks would be better (use a
> daily 3.5 inch floppy drive or serial port for data xfer)
> > (g) a simple dot matrix printer is sufficient for printing the journal of
> the day's flying
> >
> > Our Club currently has an off-line flight log program written in MS-Access
> which is used for entering data in after the flying day is over (and often
> with several weeks lag behind the actual Club flying). Something simpler is
> needed for on-field "live" logging and accounting.
> >
> > I know that GCV Benalla used to get their office people to enter tug and
> glider log sheets in at the end of the day and produce lovely printouts of
> your flying account, but I've not seen any other club with such a facility.
> >
> > Any ideas ? Do any clubs in Australia actually do on-field computerised
> flight logging / accounting ?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Jason Armistead
> > Club Membership Secretary & Webmaster
> > Southern Cross Gliding Club
> > Camden, NSW, Australia
> > http://www.ozemail.com.au/~gliding/
> >
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