It's an issue we will all need to be more aware of, as in the current climate there will be some out there who will lose no opportunity to say "here is another example of those irresponsible other airspace users, let's get them out of the air!".
 
Down at Bunyan we are a few miles outside the Cooma MBZ. We have over the years established pretty good relationships with the various operators who have tried to establish a viable service into Cooma, and almost always they will call us up on 122.7 when well out or prior to take off, to establish if we are operating and where the gliders are. (They sometimes do a verbal equivalent of a double take when some of the altitudes of the gliders are reported to them!)
 
Our own pilots, and visitors, are briefed on talking to them and reporting position. It all works pretty well. We also have good relationships with the Melbourne ATC guys and can generally get clearances when the wave is on, to go into the serious controlled airspace - without transponders. We negotiate a block of airspace for our annual wave camp and they put out a NOTAM for it.
 
Our experience is that, if we take a responsible attitude and do the right thing, the "professionals" are generally pretty easy to work with.
 
The biggest problem we have is the lighties who find it very convenient to track down the Monaro Highway en route between Canberra and Comma and vice versa. This takes them nicely right through our circuit area, and often as not there is not a peep from them despite the fact that our operations and our radio frequency are in ERSA and we have the "dumbells" at the windsock. There have been a number of occasions where there has been an embarrased pause when they have been contacted on either the area or MBZ frequency and realise they have just been through an active circuit area.
 
There is no substitute for a good lookout.
 

Allan Armistead (Canberra Gliding Club)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Ian McPhee
Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2003 8:23
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Radio procedure glider style!

I am afraid you could be right.  We had a member who would do things like that.  I would eventually hear reports about no radio in MBZ and had to visit the flying School concerned to get to the bottom of reports  Fortunately the pilot did not like me and he left and formed his own club at our entrance with his "two" members. The standard I am looking for with radio/airspace is to fly around without being an embarrassment to gliding movement.  Examples would be a be able to give a meaningfull (not perfect every time) position report and be able to respond correctly to an ATC airways clearance.  Also get radio frequencies correct and understand what the man in the Dash8 is doing and talk to him if necessary.  .
Ian McPhee
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Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 6:55 AM
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Radio procedure glider style!

I attended my local Aero clubs information night on NAS last night. Proudly wearing a gliding t-shirt. However upon arriving I was bombarded with comments about gliders thinking they have their own rules.
It seems that earlier in the day a glider had landed, unannounced in the MBZ. A little while later a tug arrived unannounced. Then the pair departed still with no radio calls. Activities like this do not help the gliding movement at all. The pilots concerned showed no airmanship qualities at all, during their short operations at the airfield. The aero club CFI tells me that the circuit was busy at the time the glider landed, 3 aircraft in circuit and 2 inbound.
Maybe an outlanding check is not the only requirement for a pilot to fly cross country. A few tips on air way procedures could help as well.

Kevin Roden
Leeton Gliding Club.


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