Hi Chris In view of the fact that some people on this list are objecting to our exchange of opinions I will keep my answer as short as possible. Please contact me off line for more detailed information.
To start with, you are right. The Schleicher website doesn't make it clear that the ASG 29 is available with or without engine. Schleicher is definitely not replacing the ASH26 with the ASG29. The ASH 26 was designed for the ever growing market of pilots who do not care about the widest possible range of wing loadings and similar matters mainly of interest to competition pilots. Instead they look for a comfortable self launching glider that offers them ample cockpit space, a quiet and vibration free engine as well as a long list of other advantages. For further details please refer to www.alexander-schleicher.de then go to "Your Sailplane" and select ASH 26. In contrast the ASG 29 is aimed at the competitive pilot and was primarily designed with competition scores in mind. Therefore it is only available with a lightweight "turbo" engine. (Optional extra) You are most certainly right, we have to see what the ASG 29 can do but the figures look very good indeed. The really good news for the consumer is that the intense competition between manufacturers has produced a new generation of 18 meter gliders. Sorry, my reply got a bit longer than intended. All the best Bernard Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph. +61 8 8449 2871 Fax +61 8 8242 3698 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gliders.net.au -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 9 November 2004 10:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Schleicher announces new model Well Bernard, its lucky then that I have a slot for a ventus2 available for 2005. :-) Would you care to elaborate on what extra 'goodies' one gets for 3400 Euros which are not part of the standard equipment included? Also, I am a little confused by the advertising on Schleichers website about the 29. In the second paragraph it says "Later self launching versions were ruled out right from the start, allowing our design team to avoid the numerous design compromises which have plagued previous 18m flapped gliders." Yet, in the PDF brochure there is a 3D view of the glider with an engine and they also specify a SOLO 2350 engine in the specifications. Will it or wont it have an engine? Just curious. As for the 27 keeping up with an 18m Ventus2 ..., I will leave that up to the pilots to argue that one out. I obviously have my own biased opinion on that, as do you. I know which one I would rather fly though. As for the ASG29, we will have to wait and see what it can do. Is the factory replacing the ASH26 with the ASG29? I mean, if they stick an engine into the 29, it will make the 26 obsolete. Luke, as for the LAK with trailer and everything included, I raise my hand and admit, can't keep up with that. In the end it comes down to individual choice. :-) Chris Yes Chris, but the price for the ASG 29 is firm for a delivery in 2006. When you add in two Ventus price increases for 2005 and 2006 plus 3400 Euro worth of "options" that come as standard with a Schleicher glider you finish up with the same price. (perhaps even better) When a 15m ASW 27 can keep up with an 18m Ventus2cx just imagine what a 18m ASG 29 can do. After all, the ASG 29 basically retains all the great features of the ASW 27 but offers the option of 18m wings and an engine. Happy Soaring Bernard & Christel Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph. +61 8 8449 2871 Fax +61 8 8242 3698 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gliders.net.au -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 8 November 2004 9:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Schleicher announces new model Seeing we are comparing gliders, I might add that for about Euro 10,000 less than Schleichers price for the ASG29, you can buy a brand new Ventus 2Cx (base model ex factory), which has proven itself quite dominantly at the latest Aussie nationals. Chris Ohh PS. For those that don't know, there is now also a new Discus 2 out in an 18m version. (The price has not been set for that yet though, just in case you ask, Mike. ;-) ) - check out www.schempp-hirth.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of B&C Eckey Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 6:08 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Schleicher announces new model Hi Mike For just over Euro 70k you can have one. This price is even firm for a delivery in 2006. This amount of money gets you a COMPLETE aircraft ex works. It includes 3400 Euro (approx $6000) worth of goodies that you need to add to the list price of other manufacturers when conducting a price comparison. Kind regards Bernard -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Monday, 8 November 2004 4:06 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring inAustralia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Schleicher announces new model At 01:32 PM 8/11/04 +1030, you wrote: > Dear all Although the latest Schleicher model was only >announced a week ago we have already sold the first ASG 29 for delivery in >2006. For those of you wanting to know a bit more I have enclosed some >info. So what is the price? All up with the optional extras like wings and tailplanes. 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