Derek
You're right, my role for the last 19 years with OTIS has been to do with
writing elevator software and the engineering systems to support
them. Fascinating stuff, fitting an entire elevator control program into
10K of EPROM and 512 bytes of RAM (in the earliest CPU-based
implementations). Getting Windows to say "Hello world" with most modern
programming environments takes a heck of a lot more than that. Then
there's always the challenge of debugging the stuff without a mouse,
keyboard and monitor. You get VERY good at bug swatting and writing
well-checked and very efficient code that has to run for years without a
CTRL-ALT-DEL !
But in a parallel life BC (Before Children) I was a mobile disc jockey for
around 12 years.
Part of that involved dealing with APRA (www.apra.com.au) and PPCA
(www.ppca.com.au) who in Australia are responsible for the copyright
licensing of music for, in my case as a DJ, public performances. They also
take care of everything from juke boxes, and background music in retail
stores right up to musical rights for multi-million dollar movie
blockbusters along with AMCOS (www.amcos.com.au - now redirected to part of
the APRA site) who look after "mechanical" royalties associated with
recording (or re-recording) of music.
So I guess I got to appreciate the some of the aspects of copyright law,
while at the same time paying monies to APRA and PPCA to be legitimate in
my role as a DJ.
Like any good engineer, I filed that knowledge away for times like this
when the question arises ... like the current thread !
Cheers
Jason
At 08:12 AM 26/05/2005, Derek Ruddock wrote:
Funny Jason, I always thought you did something with lifts ;)
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To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Poking into the past / AG indices
All
While not wanting to be seen as a party pooper, the issue of copyright
remains the single biggest impediment to compiling or selling such CDs
or
putting them online.
At the very minimum, GFA as the "owner" of the magazines would have to
give
it the OK.
However it's even more complex than that, because it may be possible
that
each and every author of every article ever written would likewise have
to
give their approval to allow their individual articles to be
redistributed. It all depends what the original terms were that the
original manuscripts were submitted to AG. Going back to 1948, the
Internet and digital reproduction never existed and so copyright law and
the terms of submission to AG may not have foreseen such an
eventuality. Ditto for all the photographs, and possibly advertisements
that have appeared.
See the following Fact Sheet from the Australian Copyright Council
http://www.copyright.org.au/pdf/acc/InfoSheets/G013.pdf
Especially the "Publishing" section on page 5
While most authors in the gliding community might not care too much
about
such a project, and gladly turn over their rights (assuming they're not
assigned to the GFA by default), there might be others, like Bernd
Eckey,
who has indicated (if I recall his articles correctly) that they were
going
to put them together into book form, presumably for sale. Some articles
have also been reprinted in AG with permission from other soaring
publications - that permission probably does not extend to
redistribution
via CD / Internet means.
While this project seems like a good way to preserve an important part
of
Australian gliding history, we must all accept that we live in a society
where such projects do not find themselves free of the (seemingly
restrictive) laws of the land simply because they are well-meaning.
It would only take a complaint from one of the multitude of authors to
bring this whole idea unstuck. Tread very carefully people !
Cheers
Jason Armistead
At 02:03 PM 25/05/2005, you wrote:
> > >Well, I have some info... Ann Woolf at Waikerie has been scanning
her
> > >collection of AGs, running from 1948 to 1997. The scanned AGs will
be
> > >for sale on CD.
> > That's pretty awesome. I look forward to hearing more.
>
>Ann's up to 1989, and plans to scan them up to 1997 when the format of
the
>magazine changed. The CDs will cost about $20 each, plus p&p. A couple
of
>years' worth fit on one CD. The whole collection will probably be 12
CDs.
>
> CD1 1951 - 1961
> CD2 1962 - 1966
> CD3 1967 - 1970
> CD4 1971 - 1974
> CD5 1975 - 1977
> CD6 1978 - 1980
> CD7 1981 - 1983
> CD8 1984 - 1986
> CD9 1987 - 1989
>
>If you're interested in these, best thing would be to contact Ann
Woolf,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] or 08 8541 3982.
>
> > Have you considered putting the entire thing on line? That would
make
> > the documents themselves searchable (and even the photos if one
> > considers searching captions as equivalent (not always the case).
>
>The magazines aren't scanned to text: doing all that OCR would be a
>*really* big job. As it is, Ann's been working on this full-time for
>months.
>
> > .. Are
> > there any copyright or other barriers to putting everything on line?
>
>That I don't know. But I believe there's no problem with putting Ann's
>index online, because she created it herself. I'll let the list know
when
>I have something useful to show.
>
>
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