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Hello All,
I have my 2nd GFA log book dated 21/12/69 in front of me, no
mention of any rules whatsoever in the log book.
I still have a copy of the original instructors Handbook
some where, will have a look in it when I find it.
Regards John O'Neill
------Original Message-------
Date: 06/21/05
20:59:42
Subject: RE:
[Aus-soaring] What do I do?
Pretty sure my first GFA logbook (circa 1974) had the rules of the
air, I'll
have to dig it out of storage to check. My second and third
(current) GFA
log books have the rules of the air on the last page.
Perhaps someone with older GFA logbooks would like to
comment?
Probably a good argument to standardise on the GFA book rather than
getting
other club based ones printed which seems to be a waste of
resources.
John Parncutt
-----Original Message-----
Creswick
Sent: Tuesday, 21 June 2005 8:38 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] What do I do?
Not in mine John.
It's a SCGC Camden log book, probably produced in the early 70's,
at the
latest, (fist logged flight 2/12/75) probably before the "GFA" log
book
even existed, perhaps ?
Inside back cover is History / Ratings, but opposite page does
have
"General Information" which includes checks, Chaotic, Chob, Fust
and
Hhellt, and rules of the air (4) - head on, converging, overtaking
and
landing, AND rules in thermals (3) highest, first and
joining.
No 200 feet there either !!!
John Parncutt wrote:
> By the way, anybody who hasn't seen the rules of the air,
including
> the 200 ft rule might like to look at the back inside page of
a GFA
> logbook, its all there!
>
> John Parncutt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *Terry Neumann
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 21 June 2005 2:25
PM
> *To:* Discussion of issues relating to
Soaring in Australia.
> *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] What do I
do?
>
>
> It is written:
>
>>One could surmise that the author hadn't heard of the 200
foot rule
either.
>>LOL!
>>
>>
> One could, but one would probably also
be wrong....
>
> Mike Valentine, being the practical
and thinking person he was,
> probably foresaw that to lay great
stress on an arbitrary figure
> would possible cause most people to
miss the point entirely -
> something which many of the well
intentioned contributors to this
> discussion have demonstrated with
exceptional skill.
>
> This 200 foot rule is a classic
example of the old adage that
> "Rules are made for the guidance of
wise men, and the obedience of
> fools".
>
> Wombat and a couple of others in this
discussion, notably Kevin
> Roden, have more correctly pointed out
that notwithstanding the
> 200 foot rule, sensible, and therefore
safe flying in shared
> thermals is essentially a product of
airmanship. Indeed I will
> suggest that it is one of the most
crucial and important aspects
> of true airmanship. If your
technique in sharing thermals keeps
> you at all times no closer that 200
feet and six inches from
> others, but causes those in other
gliders concern, fear, or sheer
> terror, you have a long way to go in
this area.
>
> Leigh touched on a very interesting
point when he reflected on the
> thermalling parameters of his Super
Grunau. Allow me to expand.
> How should
everyone behave in a thermal which contains (say)
> his Grunau, Bernard's
ASH-25, and a club ASK-21 on passenger
> flight, all with different flying
speeds and pilot aspirations?
> This is quite possible at my home
club. The only thing which we
> might not expect is someone in a hang
glider to be part of the
> equation. Lets throw one of
those in too. Suddenly the magic
> 200 foot rule gets pretty low on the
list of priorities does it
> not?
>
> Which is where it should have been
right at the start. There is
> much more to safe and considerate
thermal sharing than a
> concentration on an an
arbitrary measure of distance dreamed up
> somewhere by a doubtless well
intentioned committee. For mine,
> the concept of "see and _be
seen_" carries much more weight.
>
> Finally, since the name of
Mike Valentine has been mentioned in
> this discussion, perhaps I
can relate a story which he told me
> once about the judging of
distance.
>
> Mike, in one of his earlier lives was
enjoying the more
> pleasurable aspects of his then job as
a supervisor training air
> traffic controllers. At
the time he was flying circuits at an
> airfield somewhere in (probably) some
superannuated military jet
> with an Indian co-pilot (It would be
wouldn't it). Mike
> commented at the time on the fact that
his Indian friend seemed to
> judge his round out and landings very
well. The reply? (In
> Mike's best Indian accent) "Oh yes
- my instructor always told me
> to start the round out when at the
height of two elephants!"
>
> Which raises the question as to
whether Indian glider pilots might
> measure their separation in thermals
by "x" elephants?
>
> I hope not. A thermal
filled with imaginary elephants is not a
> comfortable thought.
>
> Regards,
> Terry ;-)
>
>
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