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Thanks for that Bernard,
I will trial the
unit at the farm at distances of 500, 1000, 1500 & 2000 m and make
a decision on the visibility, before fitting it to the ASW 28.
That way I can return it in good
condition and without drilling holes, if the light isn't outstanding in bright
daylight.
Does anyone in this forum know what
work has been done with battery operated strobes in front of a focusing
reflector to provide best strobe light in a defined direction?
Best regards
Geoff
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:54
AM
Subject: RE: Fw: [Aus-soaring]
FLARM
Hello Geoff
You are most welcome to trial the
flashlight.
If you don't like it you simply return it to me.
Otherwise
you submit EUR 278.
How does that sound to you?
Bernard
Eckey
FUTURE AVIATION PTY. LTD.
10 Antigua Grove
West Lakes
5021
Adelaide / South Australia
Ph/Fax +61 8 8449 2871
mobile 0412
981204
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-----Original
Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Geoff
Kidd
Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2005 10:03 AM
To:
Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: Fw:
[Aus-soaring] FLARM
Bernard,
If Peter doesn't take up your kind
offer, I will offer to be the pig
(Guinea).
Regards
Geoff
----- Original Message
-----
From: "FUTURE AVIATION PTY. LTD." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
"'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'"
<[email protected]>
Sent:
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:42 AM
Subject: RE: Fw: [Aus-soaring]
FLARM
> Hi Peter
>
> I can get these flashlights
through a friend of mine.
> He is even making one available for
trails.
> I will find out how much they cost and will get back to
you.
> If you like, you can be the guinea pig and pay me when
you
> are happy.
>
> The flashlight draws under 20
watt.
>
> Bernard Eckey
> FUTURE AVIATION PTY. LTD.
>
10 Antigua Grove
> West Lakes 5021
> Adelaide / South
Australia
> Ph/Fax +61 8 8449 2871
> mobile 0412 981204
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>
Robinson, Peter B
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2005 1:59 PM
> To:
Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> Subject: RE:
Fw: [Aus-soaring] FLARM
>
> Sounds good Bernard,
>
>
Where can they be purchased, how much do they cost and how
much
current
> do they draw?
>
> Regards
>
Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
FUTURE
> AVIATION PTY. LTD.
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2005
1:44 PM
> To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
Australia.'
> Subject: RE: Fw: [Aus-soaring] FLARM
>
> Hi
all
>
> Sean, after such a subtle invitation I'm happy to pass on
my thoughts
on
>
> prevention of mid-airs, Flarm and other
safety enhancing devices.
>
> Looking closely at Flarm I have come
to the conclusion that,
> realistically, we will hardly have more than
just a few percent of
> gliders equipped with such a device in the
foreseeable future. No
doubt,
> Flarm is great - but it only works
properly if all aircraft (not only
> gliders) are equipped with
it.
> In other words, the owner only benefits if all other aircraft
owners
> also install it.
>
> While attending the AERO trade
fair in Germany earlier this year, I
> learned about the terrible
mid-air statistics in Europe. While flying
> over the Alps, and while
almost permanently in close proximity of
other
> gliders, I resolved
to install high intensity LED lights. These new
> generation LEDs are
extremely bright and suitable for integration into
> wingtips, nosecones
and other non structural parts of a glider. In
fact,
> their
intensity can be directly compared to traditional aircraft
>
flashlights. Best of all, they consume only a fraction of the
power
and
> are even guaranteed for a service life of 5000 hours.
They hardly
> generate any heat and can therefore be encased in a clear
resin block
> which in turn becomes part of the aircraft extremities. As
such there
> are NO aerodynamic penalties but huge advantages in terms
of
attracting
> the attention of other airspace users. Another big
advantage is that
the
> pilot doesn't need to monitor them in
flight.
>
> Sean, you are right, I'm fitting such lights to the
wingtip of my ASH
> 25. However, there is no need to go to such extremes
as similar
> flashlights are also available for installation behind the
canopy.
Sized
> no bigger than 1/2 golf ball, they get attached with
two screws and
> hooked up to the on-board power supply. That's all.
Pilots who want to
> remove this feature while flying competitively can
tape over the small
> holes in the top of the fuselage.
>
>
To sum it up, I believe that with these new flashlights,
private
owners
> and clubs now have the means of reducing the risk of
mid-airs without
> relying on other airspace users to invest in
Flarm.
>
> Fly safely and never forget to look
out.
>
> Bernard Eckey
> 10 Antigua Grove
> West Lakes
5021
> Adelaide / South Australia
> Ph/Fax +61 8 8449 2871
>
mobile 0412 981204
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
jorgie
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2005 7:48 AM
> To: [email protected]
>
Subject: Re: Fw: [Aus-soaring] FLARM
>
> I too want to be safe,
however, I would be somewhat concerned if we
just
> decided to
implement something like this without somebody providing
some
>
scientific results of it's use.
>
> The issues we may have is with
the large number of new "toys" that we
> are finding in the cockpits of
gliders. A lot of which are taking the
> pilots attention from outside
of the aircraft to the inside.
>
> In fact it's not uncommon to
find some new pilots who have never know
> any different and think that
you "need" all of this technology to fly
> long
distances.
>
> Part of the problem has got to be pilots not
looking out of the
cockpit,
> the other part has got to be how
difficult it is to see other gliders,
> esp head on. The third part is
simply that we can do all things at
once
> and sometimes you will
simply never see the other aircraft in which
case
> something along
these lines would indeed save lives.
>
> Bernard Eckey has just
ordered some new tips for his 25 which he has
> asked to high intensity
leds (I believe) to be fitted to see if that
> improves the ability of
other pilots to see his aircraft. Bernard,
> perhaps you could enlighten
us to exactly what you've done.
>
> I'd be interested if somebody
can point me towards some information
> regarding these
FLARMs.
>
> Regards
>
>
Sean
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---- Geoff Kidd
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> Mike
>>
>
>>
> If this Flarm
system or something better (and immediately available)
is
>
not
>>
> picked up and implemented this year as the system of
choice for OZ,
then
> the
>>
> Pilots, Owners and the
umbrella organization all need to have a good
> hard
>>
>
look at themselves.
>>
>
>>
> As previously
mentioned by others in this Forum, the key is that
>
all/most
>>
> Sailplanes need to be fitted for it to be
effective.
>>
>
>>
> Given the reports back from
Europe, the key issues for us are
simply:
>>
>
>>
> a Is this
the best available system?
>>
> b Is
something better on the horizon that is soon to supersede
it?
>>
> c Is Flarm the defacto standard in
Europe?
>>
> d What is the best way to
implement it here?
>>
>
>>
> All of the above
seems to be an appropriate role for the GFA to take,
>>
>
action, publicise and provide the necessary leadership in this
key
area.
> But
>>
> a long evaluation and decision
making time is not warranted and in my
> view
>>
> it
would be a travesty if this opportunity is wasted or someone here
>
thinks
>>
> they should now try from somewhere near scratch to
come up with a
better
>
>>
> Aussie
mousetrap.
>>
>
>>
> If the Swiss Rescue
Helicopters have evaluated it as being also the
best
>
for
>>
> them, then it might even be a no-brainer for
us.
>>
>
>>
> Look at what the basic pilots from
Europe have said on the other
thread
> and
>>
> all of
us should make up our minds.
>>
>
>>
> I wonder
what other members of this Forum, more experienced than me,
> have
to
>>
> say on this.
>>
>
>>
>
Regards & thanks for your reply
>>
>
>>
>
Geoff
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
----- Original Message -----
>>
> From: "Mike Borgelt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring
inAustralia."
>>
> <[email protected]>
>>
>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 4:08 PM
>>
> Subject: Re: Fw:
[Aus-soaring]
FLARM
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>> At 01:56
PM 4/07/05 +1000, you
wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>I have
initiated and am in the midst of a thread on The Glider
Forum
>>
>>>>where
>>
>>>>
European pilots speak of Flarm in glowing terms ... both in
the
>>
>>>> Mountains
>>
>>>>
and the
Flatlands.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> It
appears that the IGC has not banned its use and 2 pilots report
>
good
>>
>>>> practical results with Flarm when used in
contests.
>>
>>
>>
>> Technically, under
the FAI rules it was prohibited under the rule
that
>>
>>
prevented data interchange. This was pointed out in an article
in
>>
>> Aerokurier magazine. Common sense has prevailed
according to John
> Roake's
>>
>> latest column on
gldingmagazine.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
Now we have what appears to be a proven and popular system that
is
>>
>>>> reasonably economical for Cost and
Power.
>>
>>
>>
>> 52mA and A$1000
approximately per
aircraft.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
Given that mid-airs are a/the major safety issue for our
sport,
what
> are
>>
>>>> we waiting
for?
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Is it a
fact that the spectrum is available or
not?
>>
>>
>>
>> Of course it is. Every
wireless device attached to your PC uses it as
>
well
>>
>> as your microwave
oven.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
If it is, the GFA should consider lobbying/acting to ensure
that
the
>>
>>>> system is picked up for OZ and
EVERY owner should be encouraged or
>>
>>>>
incentivised to install ASAP.
>>
>>
>>
>>
Given the general acknowledgement that we have a mid air problem
in
>>
>> gliding
>>
>> you would think
this would already be being done wouldn't you? Don't
>
hold
>>
>> your
breath.
>>
>>
>>
>>
Mike
>>
>> Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality
soaring instruments
>>
>> phone Int'l + 61 746
355784
>>
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358796
>>
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355784
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
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